Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th May 2013 21:46 UTC
Google "Wired has obtained a copy of a cease and desist letter sent by Google to Microsoft today, demanding Microsoft immediately remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phone Store and disable existing copies on consumers' devices by May 22. The YouTube app for Windows Phone - developed by Microsoft not Google - strips out ads and allows downloading, both violations of YouTube's terms of service." Incredibly petty. Just come up with a solution, you bunch of kids.
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Reality distortion field at work
by TechGeek on Thu 16th May 2013 02:17 UTC
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

Nelson,

So Google won't provide an app for Windows Phone and Microsoft wrote one themselves. Yet Microsoft's app intentionally allows downloads and strips out ads and you blame Google? How is it Google's fault that Microsoft didn't put the ads in their app? If the API was the problem, then surely Microsoft wouldn't even have been able to write the app to begin with. Yet they have one, and decided NOT to follow the rules. What a shocker!

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Exactly... blaming Google for a move like this that is completely the fault of Microsoft makes absolutely no sense. If Microsoft really wanted to use YouTube as a way of making their phone operating system "better" so more people would want it, then they would have written the app in such a way that it's not bound to be subject to a cease-and-desist letter in one week and forced to be pulled from the Microsoft store in two.

There is no way that, one, Microsoft didn't know about the terms of service, and two, they couldn't see this coming if they proceeded (as they did). There just is no excuse for this, and no blame can be placed on Google for Microsoft's actions of blatantly ignoring their TOS.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft really wanted to use YouTube as a way of making their phone operating system "better" so more people would want it, then they would have written the app in such a way that it's not bound to be subject to a cease-and-desist letter


Just to be clear, any third party implementation of YouTube that uses unofficial APIs runs afoul of the Terms of Service and is potentially open to a C&D from Google.

If downloading were completely removed the app would still be in violation. Ad support is a private API that Microsoft has stated they'd be open to implementing if Google provided the documentation.

The really insincere part on Google is that the YouTube application from Microsoft has existed for 2 years, it only recently (2 weeks ago) got turned into more than a mobile website wrapper -- but people were using YouTube on Windows Phone for years and not viewing a single ad.



There is no way that, one, Microsoft didn't know about the terms of service, and two, they couldn't see this coming if they proceeded (as they did). There just is no excuse for this, and no blame can be placed on Google for Microsoft's actions of blatantly ignoring their TOS.


There are two different types of blame to go around:

- Microsoft for breaking ToS and being heavy handed
- Google for refusing to open up the YouTube API to Microsoft

Is Google's Android position so shaky that a Microsoft platform (a stillborn one, according to you) would represent a threat to them? This is so senseless it's not even funny.

Google on the same day that it called for interoperability and cheered on open standards sent Microsoft a C&D and killed off XMPP.

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Gat1024 Member since:
2009-11-02

Youtube's mobile site does not display ads. What intentional stripping of ads is going on if Google themselves don't serve ads to mobiles?

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yet Microsoft's app intentionally allows downloads and strips out ads and you blame Google?


Microsoft's app does not strip out ads, they were never there to begin with. If the relevant APIs where available, Microsoft would be glad to provide them.

If the API was the problem, then surely Microsoft wouldn't even have been able to write the app to begin with. Yet they have one, and decided NOT to follow the rules. What a shocker!


No, you can write a YouTube app using unofficial APIs which doesn't display ads, which is what Microsoft and other third party YouTube clients do.

Microsoft's YouTube app is nothing more than a really, really good 3rd party app. If you look at the network requests it makes, they're identical to those of MetroTube or other hacked API clients.

On the topic of downloading, that was legitimately a stupid move, but my gut feeling is they wanted to force Google's hand here to an extent.

What's funny is that MetroTube has more downloads than the Windows Phone version of YouTube (and they're on Windows 8!) and they don't draw the ire of Google, despite doing arguably more harm to content creators.

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