Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th May 2013 11:29 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The day has finally come! Jolla has finally announced the launch device for its Sailfish operating system - and by god this is a looker. It's decidedly different from other phones out there, but it has good specifications and carries a relatively reasonably price tag - EUR 399, and it's up for pre-order today, shipping in the fourth quarter of this year.
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RE: Re:
by Nelson on Mon 20th May 2013 13:59 UTC in reply to "Re:"
Nelson
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Really hope this thing ends up in third or fourth place (after blackberry), so the OS Microsoft touts as the defacto third choice tumbles to fifth place.

PS: Yes, WP has already tumbled to fourth place after blackberry, despite a head start of WP over the new blackberry, massive marketing and nokia brand name in some countries.Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.4; el-gr; LG-P990 Build/GRJ23) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1 MMS/LG-Android-MMS-V1.0/1.2


Windows Phone is in third place ahead of BlackBerry. BlackBerry is also trending way, way down as opposed to Windows Phone which has posted triple digit growth YoY and has faced steady shipment increases QoQ for many quarters now.

Granted, BlackBerry's BB10 effort is hardly underway so they will need time to grow and dig themselves out of their hole.

The majority of the shipments that make up the sales of BB are BB7 handsets, and accordingly they will see a dip in marketshare as those users flock to other platforms at the end of their respective upgrade cycles.

So this is why BB being in 4th or MSFT being in 3rd is meaningless, BB definitely needs more time to see their strategy bear out.

The same is true of Jolla, take note that they will launch in limited regions with a single device. They don't have much brand recognition, though they do have a compelling product and device on their hands. Its obviously not going to be a high volume play though.

So manage your expectations accordingly. It takes time to build a brand and set up the infrastructure needed to support an ecosytem. The Jolla guys are really smart ex-Nokians who know how to get this stuff done, so I have more faith than I otherwise would have in what amounts to a start up company.

Just don't expect millions and millions on their first try.

Windows Phone is for all intents and purposes on its way to mainstream commercial acceptance, as much as some people here absolutely can't stand that.

Nokia is expected to go from 5 to 8 million phones this quarter, and that's just the lead up to Holiday 2013 in which the next wave of Lumia devices will launch.

Nokia finally has all the gears turning and they can consistently pump out devices at varying price ranges to start increasing their volume. You've already seen this in their large QoQ increases since Q3 2012.

What will be key in my opinion is them posting a steady 20% QoQ gain to maintain the momentum. I want Nokia to go from 8 - 10 in Q3 then 10-12 and possibly more in Q4.

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RE[2]: Re:
by enx23 on Wed 22nd May 2013 10:01 in reply to "RE: Re:"
enx23 Member since:
2008-12-17

Windows Phone is in third place ahead of BlackBerry.


Here are the numbers from:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/
and indeed Windows Phone is on third place with 3.0% after Android (74.6%) and iOS (17.6%).

BIGGEST SMARTPHONE OPERATING SYSTEMS BY UNIT SALES IN Q1 2013

Rank . OS Platform . . . . Units . . . . Market share . Was Q4 2012 . . Manufacturers in Top 10
1 (1) . . Android . . . . . . . 159.0 M . . 74.6 % . . . . . ( 68.5 %) . . . . . Samsung, Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, Sony, LG, Yulong/Coolpad
2 (2) . . iOS . . . . . . . . . . 37.4 M . . 17.6 % . . . . . ( 22.2 %) . . . . . Apple
3 (4) . . Windows Phone . . 6.3 M . . . 3.0 % . . . . . ( 2.7 %) . . . . . . Samsung, Nokia
4 (3) . . Blackberry . . . . . . 6.0 M . . . 2.8 % . . . . . ( 3.2 %) . . . . . . RIM
5 (5) . . bada . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 M . . . 0.8 % . . . . . ( 1.4 %) . . . . . . Samsung
6 (6) . . Symbian . . . . . . . 0.5 M . . . 0.2 % . . . . . ( 1.0 %) . . . . . . Nokia
others . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.0 M . . . 0.9 % . . . . . ( 1.0 %)
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . 213.0 M
Source: TomiAhonen Consulting Analysis 17 May 2013, based on manufacturer and industry data

You've already seen this in their large QoQ increases since Q3 2012.


Few quarters QoQ increase means nothing when one considers that:
1) Nokia was number one two years ago, and
2) on Bill Gates' time Windows Mobile was number two OS on mobile phones => today Nokia is number 9 and Windows Phone platform is number three, and
3) the increase from Q4 2012 to Q1 2013 is 0.3% for Windows Phones!!!

BIGGEST SMARTPHONE MANUFACTURERS BY UNIT SALES IN Q1 2013

Rank . . Manufacturer . Units . . . Market Share . Was Q4 2012 . . OS systems supported (coming)[ending]
1 (1) . . Samsung . . . . 69.0 M . . 32.4% . . . . . . . ( 29.4% ) . . . . . . Android, bada, Windows (Tizen)
2 (2) . . Apple . . . . . . 37.4 M . . 17.6% . . . . . . . ( 22.0% ) . . . . . . iOS
3 (3) . . Huawei . . . . . 10.5 M . . . 4.9% . . . . . . . ( 5.5% ) . . . . . . Android (Tizen)
4 (7) . . LG . . . . . . . . 10.3 M . . . 4.8% . . . . . . . ( 4.0% ) . . . . . . Android
5 (5) . . Lenovo . . . . . . 8.9 M . . . 4.2% . . . . . . . ( 4.3% ) . . . . . . Android (Tizen)
6 (4) . . ZTE . . . . . . . . 8.6 M . . . 4.0% . . . . . . . ( 5.3% ) . . . . . . Android, Windows (Firefox)
7 (6) . . Sony . . . . . . . . 8.1 M . . . 3.8% . . . . . . . ( 4.0% ) . . . . . . Android
8 (11) . Coolpad/Yulong . 7.1 M . . . 3.3% . . . . . . . ( 2.8% ) . . . . . . Android
9 (10) . Nokia . . . . . . . . 6.1 M . . . 2.9% . . . . . . . ( 3.0% ) . . . . . . Windows, [Symbian], [MeeGo]
10 (9) . Blackberry . . . . 6.0 M . . . 2.8% . . . . . . . ( 3.2% ) . . . . . . Blackberry
Others . . . . . . . . . . . 48.1 M
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . 213.0 M
Source: TomiAhonen Consulting Analysis 17 May 2013, based on manufacturer and industry data

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RE[3]: Re:
by Nelson on Wed 22nd May 2013 12:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


1) Nokia was number one two years ago, and


Yes, that's true. BlackBerry has also seen a spectacular fall. If your point is to tell me that Nokia is doing badly overall, then that's a point I'm well aware of.

I don't think noting that their Windows Phone strategy is starting to take off has anything to do with their past performance with past devices and a past OS.

If you can enlighten me as to where the relation between the two is, because it's obvious that Nokia wasn't going to stay #1 forever, especially given the projected trajectories that Tomi himself acknowledges.


2) on Bill Gates' time Windows Mobile was number two OS on mobile phones => today Nokia is number 9 and Windows Phone platform is number three, and


Right, and it is a strategic fumble that they did not take advantage of their market position when they had the time to do so. I similarly don't see what that has to do with anything I've said here.


3) the increase from Q4 2012 to Q1 2013 is 0.3% for Windows Phones!!!


I think your math is wrong.

Q3 2012:
3.6 million units shipped, 140% YoY change

Q4 2012:
6 million units shipped, a 67% increase QoQ, 150% YoY change

Q1 2013:
7 million units shipped, a 16% increase QoQ, 134% YoY change.

They've posted a QoQ volume increase every quarter except one since the Lumia's came out.

They managed a 16% QoQ increase coming off of the Holiday Season, which is especially impressive.

This is using actual IDC numbers, not dubious Tomi numbers.

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