Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st May 2013 21:38 UTC
Games At an event earlier today, Microsoft unveiled the next Xbox - the third model, but confusingly named Xbox One. The big focus was TV, integrated Kinect, and all the other stuff we all expected to be forced down our throats. I think it took them 25 minutes to actually come to what should be the core of the story: gaming. Nothing groundbreaking in the gaming department, except for how Microsoft intends to handle the used games market and borrowing games from friends: pay up, buddy!
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RE: Comment by lucas_maximus
by toast88 on Tue 21st May 2013 22:01 UTC in reply to "Comment by lucas_maximus"
toast88
Member since:
2009-09-23

With the massive amounts of piracy I am not surprised.


They are fighting down the used-games market, not piracy, with this solution.

Buying games used is NOT piracy.

Piracy will always find their ways, such measures will hurt honest customers in most cases.

Adrian

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It also eliminates piracy. Killing two birds with one stone.

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Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

This will do nothing to kill piracy. It will do everything to kill the used gaming market and damage total game sales.

I'm pretty damn sure every last one of my friends and relatives will be asking me to mod their new Xbox for them this time around to allow for games to be installed from downloads.

I've been modding consoles since PS2's official network adapter made for a nice integrated storage solution for loading your library to the console to make them better for semi-portable usage.

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RE[2]: Comment by lucas_maximus
by bentoo on Tue 21st May 2013 22:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by lucas_maximus"
bentoo Member since:
2012-09-21

They are fighting down the used-games market, not piracy, with this solution.


This was really inevitable with major publishers (EA, Ubisoft, Sony, etc.) already charging for second hand copy access to certain features such as online play, or not allowing transfer/sale at all (Steam).

However, I'm not sure what stake Microsoft has in limiting the used game market. I have to agree with lucas that this is at least partially related to piracy and IP protection.

Piracy will always find their ways, such measures will hurt honest customers in most cases.


Actually, this hurts Gamefly, Redbox, and the like the most.

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kjamc1982 Member since:
2007-05-09

[q]They are fighting down the used-games market, not piracy, with this solution.


This was really inevitable with major publishers (EA, Ubisoft, Sony, etc.) already charging for second hand copy access to certain features such as online play, or not allowing transfer/sale at all (Steam).


EA recently announced that all future games will not have an Online Pass. Maybe, this fee is what is replacing it.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft will have some sort of special programmer for resellers, they've said as much on the Xbox One's FAQ.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Buying games used is NOT piracy.


Check the articles in Games Developer Magazine, the industry is of another opinion.

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-pekr- Member since:
2006-03-28

Who the heck cares, what the industry thinks? If I buy something, it is mine, I paid for it. If I lend my book to my friend, I can't read it anymore. So ditto the analogy for the games - lending my game to a friend means, he can play it, I can't. But - the game has been paid for already.

Why should anyone care, if I sell my game I don't want to play anymore, to another friend, give it to him/her for free, or just throw it into the trash can?

All this licence, patents and similar crap should be eradicated from the planet Earth, as it is missused by the strong ones, having almost zero common sense in real life scenarios. And in the long run, whoever thinks will win against the common sense, will imo lose in the end ...

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jnemesh Member since:
2008-04-08

Well, I would refer them to the Supreme Court decision that reinforced the consumer's First Sale rights!

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Oh but I don't think we should stop there. No sale of used goods of any kind should be allowed. No used cars, tv's, cd's, washing machines, computers, monitors etc etc and by jove, we can't have yard sales. All these things are like stealing from the companies that make new products. I'm certain we can get those disgruntled game developers behind this scheme. Right? Right?

What's that you say? It's different? Oh, you say that we should allow all these other used items because, basically, you buy them but not used games. I see....
Sorry Bubba, that's not how the world works. Grow up and be a man.

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