Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd May 2013 22:01 UTC
Google "In the midst of the major press blitz surrounding its annual I/O Conference, Google dropped some unfortunate news about its instant messaging plans. In several places around the web, the company is replacing the existing 'Talk' platform with a new one called 'Hangouts' that sharply diminishes support for the open messaging protocol known as XMPP (or sometimes informally Jabber), and also removes the option to disable the archiving of all chat communications. These changes represent a switch from open protocols to proprietary ones, and a clear step backward for many users." That's why I always say: only suckers trust companies.
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Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Thu 23rd May 2013 23:02 UTC
shmerl
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2010-06-08

A really crooked move driven by some selfish interests.

Google could do things differently in a number of ways:

1. Extend XMPP and Jingle to cover their needs for Hangout which can't be satisfied with current XMPP capabilities (and naturally publish these extensions).

2. If for some reason they can't do #1 - develop another protocol, and publish it. Only then start rolling it out, but without cutting existing users off their contacts outside Google.

Google didn't explain why they can't do #1. They didn't do #2 as well, instead creating some closed protocol and threatening to cut current users of XMPP off. Do they still claim not to be evil?

Edited 2013-05-23 23:03 UTC

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RE: Comment by shmerl
by snowbender on Fri 24th May 2013 23:58 in reply to "Comment by shmerl"
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2006-05-04

1. Extend XMPP and Jingle to cover their needs for Hangout which can't be satisfied with current XMPP capabilities (and naturally publish these extensions).


This would be really nice.

2. If for some reason they can't do #1 - develop another protocol, and publish it. Only then start rolling it out, but without cutting existing users off their contacts outside Google.


Even though it is better than not publishing the protocol, this is really a lot less valuable than option 1. This is only useful for third party chat clients.

All protocols like this developed by companies are not designed to work across servers, in the way that a protocol like XMPP (or SMTP) is designed. XMPP (and SMTP) allow users to connect from any server on the internet to any other server on the internet. Proprietary chat protocols don't allow you to do that as far as I know.

It would be very refreshing if a company would actually do that. If Google would do this, Yahoo might support the same protocol in their messenger application, and support communication between Yahoo messenger users and Google hangout users. But we all know that is not gonna happen.

Still I keep on dreaming about an open protocol for all kinds of decentralized social media services, that allows me to host my own server, and that is sufficiently popular to be actually useful. Let's say the equivalent of SMTP for all kinds of social media services.

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