Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th May 2013 17:26 UTC
Games So, the Xbox One disaster continues. Microsoft's policy for dealing with the used games market has reportedly leaked - and it's a clear and direct attack to destroy the used games market. Prices for used games will be set at the retail value of a new game, and retailers have to hook into Microsoft's computer systems and comply with Microsoft's terms and conditions.
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Well, $5 won't break your bank...
by CaptainN- on Fri 24th May 2013 18:39 UTC
CaptainN-
Member since:
2005-07-07

The difference in price for a used game and a retail game is usually about $5, and usually a lot less - at least in the US. That $5 difference won't break my bank, but the difference in compensation for all but the largest developers can break their bank. On balance, with the reality of where used games' price points are (at least in my region), relative to full retail, this is BETTER for everyone except Game Stop, not worse.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Good, then this means game prices should drop drastically, as the developers will make far more money than they used to right? We'll see.

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Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Developers ? They get profit/interest shares ? Aren't they replaceable little keyboard bashing monkeys that we already have to pay too much ?

I though stocks would only be shared with the people that cannot be offshored, like head management, marketing people, etc... in fact the people that don't actually produce the value.

/sarcasm

Kochise

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

My point above is that a used games market that is already pinned against retail prices hasn't lead to any downward pressure on prices (at least where I live). If your real world experience (not your philosophy or theory) is different, I'd love to hear about it, but for me there is not a substantial benefit to the existence of a used games market, only a mild benefit.

There are two kinds of economic theory taught in higher education, what they teach in the philosophy department (economics), and what they teach in business school (how to generate demand, and the perception of value, amongst other things). The one about "market forces" is taught in the philosophy department. The other one runs the world, and doesn't care about any laws of supply and demand that they don't write.

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Thank you for helping me realize the error of my ways. That made up example helped me understand how limiting my choices and having to pay higher prices are of great benefit to me, as a consumer.

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

You might not agree with what I wrote, but you could at least have the respect to avoid making accusations. I carefully qualified what I wrote, and there's nothing made up about it. Used games generally cost around $5 less than the retail version, and sometimes less where I live. If your experience is good, or if you have some kind of theoretical opposition to the reality I've shared, that's fine, we'll just have to disagree. But to the accusation of having lied or attempted to mislead you, my only response is fuck you.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

The difference in price for a used game and a retail game is usually about $5, and usually a lot less - at least in the US. That $5 difference won't break my bank, but the difference in compensation for all but the largest developers can break their bank. On balance, with the reality of where used games' price points are (at least in my region), relative to full retail, this is BETTER for everyone except Game Stop, not worse.


Sucks to be you, then.

Around here, used games are around $20 CDN, sometimes more, sometimes less.

New games are rarely less than $50 CDN, unless you find them in the Bargain Bin, but that doesn't happen for 6-10 months after release.

Just because your region has expensive used games doesn't mean that's how it is everywhere.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Sucks to be you, then.

Around here, used games are around $20 CDN, sometimes more, sometimes less.

New games are rarely less than $50 CDN, unless you find them in the Bargain Bin, but that doesn't happen for 6-10 months after release.

Just because your region has expensive used games doesn't mean that's how it is everywhere.


One thing that I haven't seen anyone mention is private sales of used games; we do not have any used-games chains like the Gamestop here in Finland, people mostly buy/sell such on the Finnish eBay-like site called Huuto.net. I am actually aware of a single store selling used games and that's 500km away.

Now, I can see loads of used games on Huuto.net, like e.g. there's listings for Xbox360 - games starting as low as 4€/pop! But if you are required to contact Microsoft for every game sold and the buyer must also pay £35 just to active what he/she has bought no one will bother anymore, it'll literally be the death of used-game sales here!

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Obviously it's not the same everywhere in the U.S. It's a big country, remember? Where I live (just outside of Atlanta, GA) I've snapped up used Xbox 360 games for as low as $5-$15, and that's at GameStop of all places. And I'm not talking boring yearly sports releases or games that are useless without DLC. I recently got the last two Final Fantasy games for $16 total out the door.

Old Playstation, PS2, and Gameboy Advance games are even cheaper. If I hit the stores at the right time I can get some of the best titles for those platforms for under $5 each. I even managed to get a great Nintendo DS game that had been out for less than six months for $18. Retail for that game was still at $40, so it was less than half price.

Of course, all of this is anecdotal, but then so was your comment. My point being, just because it's a certain way for you in your specific area doesn't mean it's a nationwide experience, and certainly not worldwide.

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

I felt like I clearly indicated that I was talking about my experience and my region. It's good to hear that some folks are seeing those kinds of price differences, you certainly don't see them online or in my area.

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