Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th May 2013 17:26 UTC
Games So, the Xbox One disaster continues. Microsoft's policy for dealing with the used games market has reportedly leaked - and it's a clear and direct attack to destroy the used games market. Prices for used games will be set at the retail value of a new game, and retailers have to hook into Microsoft's computer systems and comply with Microsoft's terms and conditions.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

And you have the freedom not to buy an Xbox One. If you don't like how it works ... don't buy one.

Also Steam, Origin and UPlay do exactly the same thing and nobody batters an eyelid. The level of hypocrisy is astounding.

The reason why DRM and other nasty tactics like this have come into fashion is because it makes piracy harder for most people, because games in the last decade have been pirated to death.

Thom, You or someone else will pipe up and go "I want some proof" ... We all know it happens and all one has to do is go on the pirate bay and see how ridiculously easy it is.

If you think triple A releases are going anywhere soon you are a fool. Modern Warfare 3 sold I believe more than most Hollywood Movie releases in its first week.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I still want proof. Sorry for opting for science instead of just regurgitating corporate speak. Some of us are independent.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

http://www.pcworld.com/article/182010/xbox_users_banned.html


Didn't really take much googling did it? This was a massive story because Modern Warfare came out short before-hand.

This would be the only reliable source (but because it comes from Microsoft it probably tainted ... so I already know what you are going to day) of data because on PC you are trying to make me prove a negative. It like trying to measure the Desktop Linux install base ... you can't.

Following this ban, a large number of modded Xbox 360 consoles are being put up for sale on sites such as Craigslist. The average price for such a console is now around $90, much under the normal market price of around $200. Precaution when buying such a console is advised, as Microsoft warned that anyone who accidentally purchased a modded Xbox 360 console would not receive any help or compensation from the company


Everyone knows it exists and it happens. Playing dumb like this Thom is quite frankly tiring.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Also Steam, Origin and UPlay do exactly the same thing and nobody batters an eyelid. The level of hypocrisy is astounding.


Both Origin and UPlay suck arse, to be honest. I have never heard of anyone actually liking either service.

Valve atleast works hard to try and keep Steam relevant and improve it. Also, one of the reasons why people tend to give Steam more slack is because the games simply are cheaper than console games -- especially so if you just wait for the various sales that Valve arranges on Steam all around the year! What little I've checked in on PSN on the PS3, for example, their "sales" consist of a mere handful of titles and the price reduction is 5%-10% whereas Valve offers hundreds of games at reduced prices during both the summer and Christmas sales and even 90% reduction in price ain't unheard of.

Basically, getting games on the PC is leaps and bounds cheaper than on consoles. And because they're so much more expensive on consoles people want to be able to buy and sell used games so they can save a penny here, a penny there.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It not really the point of what I was saying was it? If you are actually sticking to your principles ... you would complain about these services also.

If you are shouting you mouth off about something as much as some people on here because Microsoft are doing it a bit more blatantly than Valve and then you don't take the same stance against Valve well?

At least a shmerl, while I don't like him is at least consistent with his hate of DRM.

As to the quality of UPlay and Origin, They work acceptably in most cases and to get an English copy of the game (I live in Spain, I am an Expat), Origin is a bit better than Steam (though the store thinks I speak Spainish).

Steam fires up Uplay btw for Ubisoft titles:

http://i.imgur.com/A0J6Ltr.jpg?1

BTW Far Cry 3 : Blood Dragon is lots of fun to play.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Also Steam, Origin and UPlay do exactly the same thing and nobody batters an eyelid.


It's not the same thing when it involves physical media that have been purchased. And for the price I'm expected to pay for a new game I damn well own that copy.

because games in the last decade have been pirated to death.


And yet, the industry keeps growing an' growing and is profitable.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It's not the same thing when it involves physical media that have been purchased. And for the price I'm expected to pay for a new game I damn well own that copy.


It is the same thing and been like that for a while now. Most games on PC whether they are disk or come from an online store won't want to start unless they get connected to an online account.

Half Life 2 was one of the first games I believed that did this. Except again this is easily forgotten.

]And yet, the industry keeps growing an' growing and is profitable.


And the development costs keep on growing as well. Also it is totally besides the point.

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yester64 Member since:
2012-07-28

I think thats why i don't buy games over steam anymore. Rather i buy them if i can over Gog. For the newer games i prefer a console so i can at least avoid DRM apps on my computer.
But it does get increasingly harder to avoid DRM these days. I actually stopped to buy newer games since i feel that there are not as good anymore.
The mass will buy whatever comes out and whats popular.
My kind of games are now in decline and so i look more on the indie front.

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skpg Member since:
2012-09-21

Developers and publishers don't lose too much money on piracy because under copyright law piracy is illegal. Now if we had no copyright law, there would be no such thing as piracy.

The PS1, PS2, and PSP were pirated to death and they were very profitable for Sony, unfortunately Sony burned it all on the PS3 and recent business decisions.

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