Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th May 2013 12:24 UTC
Linux "Today I pushed out a new ISO of my Wayland Live CD project, which is named for my favorite celebrity. For this new Wayland CD, I wrote a new login manager with Bash and Zenity and Expect (and Script) that fully runs on a Wayland server (weston). Now X is no longer involved in the boot process, and X does not start, (unless you use an X application with xwayland), because I replaced LightDM with the new loginmanager."
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RE[2]: No Torrent?
by Fergy on Sun 26th May 2013 19:01 UTC in reply to "RE: No Torrent?"
Fergy
Member since:
2006-04-10

Download managers?

I know Firefox can resume a download.

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RE[3]: No Torrent?
by panzi on Sun 26th May 2013 21:14 in reply to "RE[2]: No Torrent?"
panzi Member since:
2006-01-22

This assumes that the server supports range requests. While these days all major and a lot of minor web servers support this, using a better protocol (like bittorrent) that has this as a central feature is IMHO a better solution.

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RE[4]: No Torrent?
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 29th May 2013 02:52 in reply to "RE[3]: No Torrent?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

This assumes that the server supports range requests. While these days all major and a lot of minor web servers support this, using a better protocol (like bittorrent) that has this as a central feature is IMHO a better solution.

The only problem is, BitTorrent has a tendency to outright hog all the bandwidth it can, with the capability of bringing any network connection to its knees. And not always download at the maximum connection speed at the same time. And I've seen many, many torrents download 99%... and then just quit right there. Multiple clients.

HTTP/FTP tend to allow me to download reliably at the maximum possible connection speed. All you need is a decent mirror. Really, it is incredibly rare that I find a server that doesn't support resuming... and even for those that don't, most of the time I'll never know because I don't get a broken connection. And if I do, the automatic retries prevents the problem from getting to the point where it it comes to my attention.

In my experience, BitTorrent's supposed benefits don't outweigh its negatives... and it's not often that I see a plain old HTTP/FTP server fail as badly. 404 not found is the worst I've seen, but in BitTorrent land I've seen torrents that never take off as well.

IMO what BitTorrent is best for are:

-Large files that cannot be downloaded in any other way--but *only* for a short period of time, because if you don't hurry up and download it while it's hot you're screwed. You could end up with insanely slow download speeds and a torrent that may just stop downloading and never finish up. Not cool... no fun at all. I've had some download at decent (not great) speeds and as soon as a seed goes offline, the download drops to an excruciating slow speed that never picks back up.

-Collections of many larger files that will not compress very well to begin with, that would otherwise be put in an archive anyway. In this case, it's nice that BitTorrent allows you to pick what files you want and skip the rest, and you don't have to extract a bunch of files from what could be poorly archived into a zip bomb or something similar.


Edited 2013-05-29 03:06 UTC

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RE[3]: No Torrent?
by StephenBeDoper on Mon 27th May 2013 00:12 in reply to "RE[2]: No Torrent?"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

"Download managers?

I know Firefox can resume a download.
"

In theory, it can. In practice, I've found more often than not that Firefox will just restart a partial download from the beginning when I try to resume.

Since I've come to expect that, I usually make a duplicate of the .part file before trying to resume in Firefox - so when it almost-invariably fails to resume the transfer, I can just copy the download URL and resume the transfer using wget with the -c option (which has almost always worked IME).

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RE[3]: No Torrent?
by Neolander on Mon 27th May 2013 06:58 in reply to "RE[2]: No Torrent?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

"Download managers?"

I know Firefox can resume a download.

As far as I remember, this has never worked with failed downloads: you can only start over from the very beginning, even if the server does support resume.

Firefox' DownThemAll extension does it right, though.

Edited 2013-05-27 06:59 UTC

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RE[4]: No Torrent?
by Fergy on Mon 27th May 2013 17:20 in reply to "RE[3]: No Torrent?"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

""Download managers?"

I know Firefox can resume a download.

As far as I remember, this has never worked with failed downloads: you can only start over from the very beginning, even if the server does support resume.

Firefox' DownThemAll extension does it right, though.
"
Weird I have accidentally closed Firefox while downloading and it just resumes when I start it again. It does not redownload.

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