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Windows First looks at Windows 'Blue' have revealed an upgrade composed of cosmetic fixes, suggesting that Microsoft may be blowing its chance to turn the tide on Windows 8 blow back, and make good on its promise to truly 'rethink' Windows 8 with the release of Windows Blue. As a result, InfoWorld has issued an open letter to Microsoft to consider Windows 'Red' -- what InfoWorld is calling a 'serious plan' to fix the flaws of Windows 8, one that could rescue Microsoft's currently flagging promise to deliver a modern computing experience on both PCs and tablets.
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RE[4]: Flawed process
by tylerdurden on Tue 4th Jun 2013 19:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Flawed process"
tylerdurden
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Right. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the 360 has been leading in sales for two years.

It is meant to do two things: Counter the notion that the XBox One is doomed and show that people have an appetite for Entertainment.


I was simply providing context for your figure, so it has a hell of a lot to do with it. You also forgot to mention, that although the Xbox has lead sales for 2 years, that in the last few quarters their sales have plummeted by about 50%. People do have an appetite for content, but xbox is not the leading consumption platform (nor is the PS3 or the Wii for that matter).


I wouldn't place the Wii in the same market segment as an XBox or a PS3, when it comes to the specific scenarios that they cater to the Wii (and the Wii U)
are not even in the conversation.


The Wii U can be used to consume content, just as well as either the PS3 or the Xbox. Alas, I can understand why you would ignore anything that counters your particular narrative.


Well, the difference is what Sony doing with the PS3 and what is Microsoft doing with the 360? Sony isn't making a serious Living Room play in the way that Microsoft is with its 360 and even more dramatically with the XBox One.


We don't know what sony is doing, we don't even know what the PS4 looks like. Also "serious" is a totally subjective qualitative assessment. You can consume content with either the PS3 or the Xbox 360, and you will too with either the PS4, the One, the Wii U, and the boatload of "smart" TVs with android, and other cheap platforms which are also coming to market. So microsoft's dominance is anything but guaranteed.


The Xbox was not only #1, but also ahead of its time in pushing into the living room in ways that are already appreciated by people today.


LOL.

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RE[5]: Flawed process
by Nelson on Tue 4th Jun 2013 19:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Flawed process"
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I was simply providing context for your figure, so it has a hell of a lot to do with it.


What context did you provide, that they sold around the same? Congrats, now how is it relevant in any way to what I am saying? It is an aside, given that Sony did absolutely nothing with TV with the PS3.


You also forgot to mention, that although the Xbox has lead sales for 2 years, that in the last few quarters their sales have plummeted by about 50%. People do have an appetite for content, but xbox is not the leading consumption platform (nor is the PS3 or the Wii for that matter).


No way, on the eve of the unveil of the next generation console, 7 years later, sales are tapering off? I can't fucking believe it. Stop the presses.


The Wii U can be used to consume content, just as well as either the PS3 or the Xbox. Alas, I can understand why you would ignore anything that counters your particular narrative.


I really do not think that we want to compare the Entertainment experience between the XBox 360, the PS3, and the Wii. There's no comparison.

The PS3 has Netflix. Microsoft, already, has deals in place with various content providers as part of their Xbox 360 living room initiative.

To argue that the consoles are comparable is disingenuous on your part.


We don't know what sony is doing, we don't even know what the PS4 looks like. Also "serious" is a totally subjective qualitative assessment.


We do know what was shown so far, and what's been shown now. A Sony living room play would be a shot across the bow to Microsoft. If they miraculously have some amazing TV integration under wraps, then you'll be right come the Fall. Somehow, I doubt it though.


You can consume content with either the PS3 or the Xbox 360, and you will too with either the PS4, the One, the Wii U, and the boatload of "smart" TVs with android, and other cheap platforms which are also coming to market. So microsoft's dominance is anything but guaranteed.


Smart TVs, what the PS3 does, even what the 360 does, and certainly what the Wii U does is not enough.

This is an uncracked market. Certainly the 360 afford Microsoft a headstart in mind share and experience (similarly, AppleTV also gives Apple some insight, as Tim Cook alluded to), but its by no means a done deal.

A Samsung Smart TV isn't going to take the world by storm, if it was, it would've.

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RE[6]: Flawed process
by tylerdurden on Tue 4th Jun 2013 20:25 in reply to "RE[5]: Flawed process"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17


What context did you provide, that they sold around the same? Congrats, now how is it relevant in any way to what I am saying?


Growth rates/sales leads without overall sales figures are meaningless for someone interested in an objective understanding of a specific situation. However, they can be a "hindrance" for specific pro/con corporate narratives, so I can understand your confusion.


It is an aside, given that Sony did absolutely nothing with TV with the PS3.


Sony has done plenty with the PS3, just not in the US market. E.g.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/sony-japan-blends-the-torne-ps3-...




No way, on the eve of the unveil of the next generation console, 7 years later, sales are tapering off? I can't fucking believe it. Stop the presses.


I wouldn't call a few quarters in a row, the "eve" of an event. But it seems you just want it to have it both ways; ignore the overall slowdown of the console market adoption rates, while at the same time heralding a supposed take over of the living room by consoles (or a specific console in this case).

For example, the PS2 outsold the 360 and PS3 combined. So one could very well reach the conclusion that the heyday of consoles is past. I am not claiming that is the case, but I'm just providing a counter argument to your expectation of the "living room" being taken over by a specific console.



I really do not think that we want to compare the Entertainment experience between the XBox 360, the PS3, and the Wii. There's no comparison.


Again, that is your qualitative very personal and subjective opinion.


The PS3 has Netflix. Microsoft, already, has deals in place with various content providers as part of their Xbox 360 living room initiative.


Sony has plenty of deals with content providers. You can access just about the same content (movies, video shows, music) through the PS store, as you can through xbox live. In fact each system has exclusive content not found in the other, so there is nothing that MS has over Sony (and vice versa). Netflix is also available through the Wii BTW.


To argue that the consoles are comparable is disingenuous on your part.


I could make the very same case against your claim. Funny that.


We do know what was shown so far, and what's been shown now. A Sony living room play would be a shot across the bow to Microsoft. If they miraculously have some amazing TV integration under wraps, then you'll be right come the Fall. Somehow, I doubt it though.


Again, you keep assuming your personal opinion amounts to facts somehow. As I said, we know very little to nothing about Sony's overall strategy with the PS4.


This is an uncracked market.


That was my point...

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