Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Jun 2013 22:08 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Several Android tablets running on Intel Clover Trail+ Atom processors broke cover at Computex Taiwan. Intel's dual-core, 1.6GHz Atom Z5260 is fueling a Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 tablet, as well as Asus's 6-inch Fonepad Note and 10-inch MemoPad FHD10 tablets, while Asus also unveiled a hybrid 11.6-inch Transformer Book Trio, combining an Android slate based on a 2GHz dual-core Atom Z2580 with a keyboard dock running Windows 8 on an Intel Haswell processor."
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Please fail
by pooo on Wed 5th Jun 2013 01:09 UTC
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2006-04-22

I seriously hope these intel androids fail. They will dramatically increase the fragmentation problem. 5% of apps don't work? That is way too many.

Also, I'm bored with Intel and am hoping for the entire Intel/Microsoft ship to sink when Android hybrids eviscerate laptop sales.

This play by Intel is *high stakes*. They see where things are headed: Win8 is a failure, tablets/phones are taking over and could spread like wildfire to hybrids and all laptops within a couple years if MS doesn't do something ASAP. If that happens, and Android remains 100% ARM, Intel could implode. I think Intel realizes this isn't just a simple play to make more money, this is life or death for them.

(evil cackling...)

Edited 2013-06-05 01:20 UTC

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RE: Please fail
by re_re on Wed 5th Jun 2013 01:53 in reply to "Please fail"
re_re Member since:
2005-07-06

This will not make Intel implode. Intel has paws into nearly every facet of hardware. Besides, I don't want Intel to fail. I would like for them to lose a little market share, but not to fail. Having Intel around is good for competition. Competition in turn will push Intel, AMD, and all ARM manufacturers to step it up and put out better products.

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RE[2]: Please fail
by BallmerKnowsBest on Sat 8th Jun 2013 02:41 in reply to "RE: Please fail"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

This will not make Intel implode. Intel has paws into nearly every facet of hardware. Besides, I don't want Intel to fail. I would like for them to lose a little market share, but not to fail. Having Intel around is good for competition. Competition in turn will push Intel, AMD, and all ARM manufacturers to step it up and put out better products.


Clearly you're not part of the current generation of tech enthusiasts - if the iFanboys and GNU/freetards have taught us anything, is that the bigger picture is completely irrelevant now. Instead, all that matters is that your "team" wins and everyone else loses.

Healthy competition? Pffft, what an adorably-quaint concept - lol back to the retirement home grandpa lol!

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RE: Please fail
by Drumhellar on Wed 5th Jun 2013 02:07 in reply to "Please fail"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

History is not on your side. Intel will likely be very successful, and for a time we'll have more powerful, more power-efficient, more-inexpensive chips in our phones and tablets. That is only a good thing, right?

Give it a few years, and it might be 5% of apps don't work on ARM-based laptops and tablets. Fragmentation has always been a side-effect of technological advancement. Besides, why would you want a monoculture in the tablet market? Monocultures hardly breed innovation.

Also, it is hardly life-or-death for Intel, as there are still a whole lot of buyers of laptops, desktops, workstations, servers, and super computers. This is not going to change as long as real work needs to be done.

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RE[2]: Please fail
by viton on Wed 5th Jun 2013 08:05 in reply to "RE: Please fail"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

Monocultures hardly breed innovation.

Oh yeah. Intel monopoly is definitely not.

You can see desktop Haswell is barely faster than 2yo SandyBrigde, and sometimes slower than Ivy. Once again the motherboard is not compatible. Whopping 3% speedup is definitely worth that price.

ARM universe has a long forgotten thing called competition, while x86 has only one player (AMD is not even considered as viable player by Intel itself).

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RE: Please fail
by moondevil on Wed 5th Jun 2013 06:16 in reply to "Please fail"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

That is what happens when you go the C/C++ route and don't produce binaries for all platforms on your apk.

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RE[2]: Please fail
by chenxiaolong on Wed 5th Jun 2013 06:47 in reply to "RE: Please fail"
chenxiaolong Member since:
2011-12-05

Actually, if I remember correctly, Intel bundles their libhoudini library, which emulates the ARM(v7?) architecture. That library is why Android emulators, like AndroVM, can run ARM applications ;)

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RE[2]: Please fail
by Kochise on Wed 5th Jun 2013 07:15 in reply to "RE: Please fail"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Isn't C/C++ a "portable assembler" ? Why it's so difficult to check "x86 build" as well as "ARM build" for the same APK ? Package size ? Then producing two APK, one per CPU ? Look at MXPlayer, they produce plugins for ARM extensions as separate APKs, and nobody complains. If somebody "forget" to build the x86 version, I can only see this person as inadequate and should change of professional orientation. McDonalds is always recruiting.

BTW Intel provides a virtualization accelerator for the Android emulator on Windows, but not AMD. Why ? AMD do features virtualization, so why this lack of Windows driver, while the Linux version is virtualized ?

Kochise

Edited 2013-06-05 07:17 UTC

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RE: Please fail
by vivainio on Wed 5th Jun 2013 06:42 in reply to "Please fail"
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2008-12-26

I hope they succeed. Competition benefits consumers more than fragmentation hurts them.

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RE[2]: Please fail
by Fergy on Wed 5th Jun 2013 08:07 in reply to "RE: Please fail"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

I hope they succeed. Competition benefits consumers more than fragmentation hurts them.

If Intel succeeds you will get the same situation you have now between Intel and AMD. So no in this case it would be better if there were no Intel. It is much better to have a few smaller players without a monopoly.

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RE: Please fail
by vaette on Wed 5th Jun 2013 12:08 in reply to "Please fail"
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2008-08-09

I hope they succeed, Intel has a lot better a history of building well documented and often open standards, creating platforms where things like Linux and other independent systems thrive. The ARM vendors for the most part are a mess of proprietary ad-hoc solutions that are seldom at all documented and never at all interoperable.

The PC is a fantastic achievement, it started with IBM blessing us all by being careless with their IP, but has continued under Intels stewardship with more and more standardized, documented and freely available standards for all things from buses to timers to booting procedures. I think it will be a great thing for us all if Intel brings that same approach to the mobile world, in the hopes that the ARM vendors will realize that this is a necessity if they want to compete.

edit: I think my use of the word "open" above is a bit controversial, but I do consider Intels approach with for example USB is a fantastic boon for everyone. It is hardly a matter of proper "Free", but it is still fantastic, and not something the ARM vendors appear to have any interest in.

Edited 2013-06-05 12:23 UTC

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RE: Please fail
by ebasconp on Wed 5th Jun 2013 12:31 in reply to "Please fail"
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2006-05-09

Though I did not program any application in Android, the platform should not be a problem because almost all Android apps are written in Java and are running inside the Dalvik VM.

Now, the apps written using the NDK yes, must be ported to the new platforms to run, but I really suspect the vast majority of apps written for Android do not use it; and I also suspect that people that writes using the NDK, uses it to make their apps easily portable between Android and iOS, and in that case, their native code is already portable.

Edited 2013-06-05 12:31 UTC

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RE: Please fail
by protomank on Wed 5th Jun 2013 13:05 in reply to "Please fail"
protomank Member since:
2006-08-03

That 5% are probally native code built using NDK. Guess what? It is just a matter of building it again for x86, not only a single line of code chance needed (unless you wrote the thing using asm)...

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RE[2]: Please fail
by moondevil on Wed 5th Jun 2013 16:20 in reply to "RE: Please fail"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Not only asm, byte manipulation tricks that depend on endianess for example.

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