Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Jun 2013 15:33 UTC
Legal "The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April. The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk - regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing." Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!
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RE: Well, I'm Boned...
by umccullough on Thu 6th Jun 2013 21:41 UTC in reply to "Well, I'm Boned..."
umccullough
Member since:
2006-01-26

But I believe this is with ALL forms of communication in the US. It's inescapable.


Indeed, it has been alleged years ago that AT&T has secret rooms with "black boxes" that all their connections run through and process for the NSA.

Basically, if you use a phone, especially a cell phone, expect that you're being spied on. Cell phones are even more egregious since they can track your physical location movements at any given time.

They use the guise of "metadata" - and I suspect they use the same guise to collect IP connection logs and HTTP headers.

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RE[2]: Well, I'm Boned...
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 6th Jun 2013 22:25 in reply to "RE: Well, I'm Boned..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Standard house phones have their numbers attached to the exact address of the service, so it's not like cell phones are much worse. Neither way gives you privacy. The main difference is that with a house phone the address tied to the service is always where calls are made to and from, while if you're using a cell phone the government can find out if you left your house at some point and that you made a stop at Burger King to take a shit.

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RE[3]: Well, I'm Boned...
by umccullough on Thu 6th Jun 2013 23:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Well, I'm Boned..."
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Standard house phones have their numbers attached to the exact address of the service, so it's not like cell phones are much worse.


Right, but even if you're not actually using a cell phone, the phone company still records your location at any given time.

Receiving a text, for example, will be recorded along with the location you were at when you received it. And I assure you, the NSA is collecting information on text messages that are sent/received as well, even if they're not collecting the actual content of the message.

I hate cell phones.

Edit: also, there are ways to forward a home number to another number entirely - or use it over the internet via telephony

Edited 2013-06-06 23:24 UTC

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