Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Jun 2013 15:33 UTC
Legal "The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April. The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk - regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing." Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!
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RE[3]: Well, I'm Boned...
by umccullough on Thu 6th Jun 2013 23:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well, I'm Boned..."
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Standard house phones have their numbers attached to the exact address of the service, so it's not like cell phones are much worse.

Right, but even if you're not actually using a cell phone, the phone company still records your location at any given time.

Receiving a text, for example, will be recorded along with the location you were at when you received it. And I assure you, the NSA is collecting information on text messages that are sent/received as well, even if they're not collecting the actual content of the message.

I hate cell phones.

Edit: also, there are ways to forward a home number to another number entirely - or use it over the internet via telephony

Edited 2013-06-06 23:24 UTC

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RE[4]: Well, I'm Boned...
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 04:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Well, I'm Boned..."
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Right, but even if you're not actually using a cell phone, the phone company still records your location at any given time.

I am pretty sure that doesn't matter, at least not in this case... it seems pretty clear to me that the only data that's being sent in to the government is directly related to each individual communication. I see nothing indicating that they are both logging all location data at all times every day and sending it out too. Only when you make or receive a call or whatever.

Also, if you're paranoid about cell phones tracking your location, disable GPS so it can only get a more obscure result based on the nearest cell towers' locations in relation to your phone. Or put your phone in airplane mode (or turn it off) when not using it; you'll lose the benefits of having a cell phone to receive calls at all times, but at least you can still make calls whenever you need to (with the benefit of longer batter life). And if you only use it around home and not all over the place, it effectively is no different than a house phone. Of course, the alternative is to just not even use a cell phone in the first place.

I'm trying to find a good SIP service and Android program... that could be a pretty decent alternative in some cases. Problem is, I don't think I'll ever have much use for it because no one I know would 1) know what to do with it, 2) have a compatible phone, 3) be willing to give it a try. People generally seem stuck on traditional services, because they just work and are so deeply ingrained.

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RE[5]: Well, I'm Boned...
by Alfman on Fri 7th Jun 2013 05:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Well, I'm Boned..."
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"I'm trying to find a good SIP service and Android program... that could be a pretty decent alternative in some cases."

You don't really need a SIP service unless you are going to get a true phone number. First of all, you can easily self host an asterisk/freeswitch PBX. Secondly, most SIP clients I've used allow direct IP dialing or even dyna-dns dialing without the need to register anywhere. Even the ATA I use to connect the dial tone house phone supports IP dialing. Alas, I don't have any friends whom I can call directly over SIP, so the benefit is mute.

I am happy with vitelity for SIP<->POTS service in the US. When I travel between states I still place/receive calls from my "home" number. My parents were even able to use my service to place US calls from Europe at my local rate.

My gripe with SIP technology is how it uses a wide range of ports which often need to be pre-configured in the router and conflicts with other SIP instances sharing IPs. These problems are why some services adopt the less standard IAX protocol instead, which is better for home networks but not popular enough to be very useful.

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