Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Jun 2013 15:33 UTC
Legal "The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April. The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk - regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing." Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!
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RE: It gets worse
by gfg233 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 00:46 UTC in reply to "It gets worse"
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It's 1984 30 years late. It's the biggest technology story of the year, if not the decade.

What it will likely do is start a software revolution outside the US, given the now zero level of trust in data held by US companies. Open source will play a big part including in non-proprietary mobile platforms. Expect US software companies to take a big hit for this.

The funny thing from all of it is Apple, coming last to the party (apart from Twitter who aren't part of it at all somehow). Apple somehow managed to hold out 5 years and only after Steve Jobs' death. Microsoft signed up right away. Maybe Steve Jobs wasn't so bad after all.

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RE[2]: It gets worse
by darknexus on Fri 7th Jun 2013 05:28 in reply to "RE: It gets worse"
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Open source software is not going to help here. Even if *you* use open source software, you're going to have contact with some of these services. Do you search with Google? Do any of your friends or family have Gmail addresses? Do you ever watch YouTube, use any social networks, mainstream IM services, etc? Do you ever make phone calls? Hell, do you even use the internet at all?
If you answer yes to any one of these, you're screwed whether you use open source or not, because any monitoring can be done on the network and server end of the system. They don't need a back door into your operating system, and wouldn't care about it if they had it. They want what you share, what you say, and to whom it is said and they can get any of that through any of these major networks you brush against. Bothering with your individual computer would just be a pain in their ass especially when it's not necessary.
It's time for techies to readjust their thinking. The platform war plays no part in this struggle; it's now a battle of services and privacy. Whether your devices run open source or not is irrelevant; it's the servers that count.

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RE[3]: It gets worse
by gfg233 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 09:31 in reply to "RE[2]: It gets worse"
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You're right it is mostly about services. I'm talking about open source services or otherwise but most importantly hosted outside the US by non US companies, perhaps outside any government zone. There will be a proliferation of new service providers, particularly with increasing demand to get out of using spied on gmail/hotmail email providers.

Separately, I do think given this will also be an opportunity for a company like Mozilla to gain some market share in mobile technology since no one will trust anything Google or Apple do anymore.

Edited 2013-06-07 09:36 UTC

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RE[2]: It gets worse
by Darkmage on Fri 7th Jun 2013 14:37 in reply to "RE: It gets worse"
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"What it will likely do is start a software revolution outside the US, given the now zero level of trust in data held by US companies." - This is the angle I'm taking on it.

The NSA is known to have interfered in Boeing/Airbus negotiations in the Mid 90s costing Airbus upto $6 Billion. There's absolutely no reason to believe they're not doing the same thing with this information. I could not in good conscience recommend any clients host their data in any of the major US tech companies that includes Gmail e-mail hosting after this. There's no guarantee they're not stealing business ideas and selling them to US companies.

We know that they are already abusing tapped records of US soldier's private communications data even after the soldiers have proven to be loyal to America. Why would they treat a foreign business any different to their own people?

Edited 2013-06-07 14:39 UTC

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