Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Jun 2013 15:33 UTC
Legal "The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April. The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk - regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing." Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!
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RE[3]: It gets worse
by gfg233 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 09:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It gets worse"
gfg233
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2013-06-07

You're right it is mostly about services. I'm talking about open source services or otherwise but most importantly hosted outside the US by non US companies, perhaps outside any government zone. There will be a proliferation of new service providers, particularly with increasing demand to get out of using spied on gmail/hotmail email providers.

Separately, I do think given this will also be an opportunity for a company like Mozilla to gain some market share in mobile technology since no one will trust anything Google or Apple do anymore.

Edited 2013-06-07 09:36 UTC

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RE[4]: It gets worse
by darknexus on Fri 7th Jun 2013 21:10 in reply to "RE[3]: It gets worse"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Even if tservices are open source, your ISP isn't. And as I said, are you going to refuse to have contact with your family based on the services they use? It doesn't matter how open your platform is, if it communicates with others that are not. Even if you develop a fully open source email service right now that anyone can use for free, the instant anyone sends a message to a service that is being monitored, they then have a record of it. And, are you going to look through every line of code that is running on said service if you aren't the developer? Open source can have just as many back doors put into it if no one bothers to give the code a quality audit.

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RE[5]: It gets worse
by leech on Fri 7th Jun 2013 23:37 in reply to "RE[4]: It gets worse"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Even if tservices are open source, your ISP isn't. And as I said, are you going to refuse to have contact with your family based on the services they use? It doesn't matter how open your platform is, if it communicates with others that are not. Even if you develop a fully open source email service right now that anyone can use for free, the instant anyone sends a message to a service that is being monitored, they then have a record of it. And, are you going to look through every line of code that is running on said service if you aren't the developer? Open source can have just as many back doors put into it if no one bothers to give the code a quality audit.


For the record, there are already plenty of open source email services (I run one myself). Besides, the 'open source vs closed source' has nothing to do with how secure email is. If you think that doing any sort of communication through email (whether being spied upon by Gov or not) is secure, then you don't know how email works. All you need is either a POP account set to save email on the server, or an IMAP account, and the email administrators can read your email. Hopefully you can trust your email providers to not read your emails.

But same can be said of pretty much any communication platform on the internet. I'm sure most forums don't encrypt their private messages, and Twitter and Facebook most certainly don't do much besides use SSL to encrypt it from one end to the other, but more than likely they're unencrypted on their servers.

The big story of this isn't "We store your DATA!" it's "We let our storage of DATA be searched through by the NSA!"

Only search engine I trust anymore is DuckDuckGo. But just because they say they don't store anything, doesn't mean they don't. There would have to be security auditor teams checking in on that. I actually used Google today for the first time in many months (had to look up a ranking for a customer) and it is seriously horrible. Can't understand how I ever liked it. Well, it was the best at the time.

DuckDuckGo is simply awesome!

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