Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:40 UTC
Legal This story is getting bigger and bigger. Even though most Americans probably already knew, it is now official: the United States government, through its National Security Agency, is collecting the communications and data of all American citizens, and of non-Americans using American services, through a wide collaboration with the large companies in technology, like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and so on. Interestingly enough, the NSA itself, as well as the US government, have repeatedly and firmly denied this massive spying on Americans and non-Americans took place at all.
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Afraid of Google
by gfg233 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:48 UTC
gfg233
Member since:
2013-06-07

"Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!"

Are you going to retract that comment from the previous NSA article now Thom?

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RE: Afraid of Google
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:51 in reply to "Afraid of Google"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Uh, why? We all focussed on Google, even though it turns out everyone is involved, and much worse, the US government as well.

Turns out, they're all bad, and that's exactly what that statement conveys.

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RE[2]: Afraid of Google
by gfg233 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:59 in reply to "RE: Afraid of Google"
gfg233 Member since:
2013-06-07

The difference is that the internet service providers are not just providing meta-data but the content as well: emails, photos, videos, file transfers, social network details as a live feed. In my opinion it's far worse than what is being collected by Verizon, the meta-data without the content. Although I doubt any of the companies had too much of a say in things, yet I submit that Twitter's omission is puzzling.

That said I'm not here to argue you with you. The article above is well written and addresses the necessary points, good work.

Edited 2013-06-07 12:03 UTC

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RE[2]: Afraid of Google
by orfanum on Fri 7th Jun 2013 12:34 in reply to "RE: Afraid of Google"
orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

Erm, I think that in English, the phrase means we were quite wrong to have entertained that previous fear as such, at least that's the implication, more so than 'a plague on all your/their houses' which means they are all culpable, which is what you seem to want to express. I respect the fact that English is not your first language, and admire your highly proficient use of it. Had you said: "and we were afraid of just Google" or "and we were only afraid of Google" then (although they both have slightly different meanings again) you would have been nearer the mark. But you didn't.

I say this as someone who has had to use other languages on a daily basis at different points in my life. I know it can be embarrassing to realise one is using a language incorrectly but that's also how we learn - that is, not by simply making mistakes but also by acknowledging them.

Orf.

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RE[2]: Afraid of Google
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 23:15 in reply to "RE: Afraid of Google"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

It was spot-on and well said... I really don't see why anyone is calling for the retracting of a statement that is so damn... accurate.

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RE[2]: Afraid of Google
by bassbeast on Tue 11th Jun 2013 03:25 in reply to "RE: Afraid of Google"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

You REALLY love teh google, huh Thom?

What you are doing is the classic "X is bad but Y is worse" argument that doesn't change the fact that X IS BAD,mmmkay? Just because the US government, who unless your last name is Gates or Dell you aren't gonna change, is doing something bad does NOT mean that I shouldn't choose not to do business with a company that wants to give the NSA a run for its money.

But what amazes me is that with this it will give those in power 100% control of anybody that runs for any office, how is that? You can't find anybody under 50 that doesn't have some skeleton that if you had a recording of every single thing they had ever done online. Do they have a fetish that isn't the red blooded big boob blonde? Have their ever gotten a clickjacker bug? because i can tell you that a LOT of those will send the PC to adult topsites, many of which have illegal underage images.

Basically what they have done is made the Ayn Rand comment about criminals 100% real, because with a record of everything that every person has done there won't be a single person that can't be ruined if someone with access so chose. I can just imagine what kind of monster they would be able to paint me as, considering how many infected PCs I've had to deal with.

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