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Slowly turning into Soviet USA
by ronaldst on Fri 7th Jun 2013 12:12 UTC
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

But americans don't have the money for universal healthcare. ;)

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

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bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

Really, the people in the USSR were better off.

Their bread and circuses were at least nutritious and intellectually enriching.

And they knew they could get their bread, unlike here. (And healthcare, too.)

Edited 2013-06-07 12:57 UTC

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v_bobok Member since:
2008-08-01

There were certain drawbacks to both soviet socialist and western capitalist systems. Yes, current free market economy and big corporations are very good at producing cheap entertainment for ignorant masses, unnecessary types of gadgets and services and, of course, on-demand custom luxury for 1% of "lucky people". USSR's system was rather focused on universal healthcare and total (or should I say totalitarian?) education for all (it says in Constitution as guaranteed citizen's rights to be educated and healthy), everyone was forced going to elementary-to-high school and at least learning one profession. You'd have the opportunity to choose any University you like if you want to get high education. Of course you should work hard and know your stuff inside-out to be chosen out of many, but at least you're not out of the picture if your parents are dirt poor and you came to Moscow or Leningrad or Novosibirsk from the very distant village.

Both capitalism and socialism are deeply flawed, in great part because of corrupted, greedy, overindulgent nature of human being, breeding and spreading corruption everywhere is what that type of humans do best. There will be no Utopian future with the society of universal peace and harmony until we keep that "devil" inside us alive and well. Something must be changed in our mentality and behavior, otherwise there will be no answer to prayers and cries of many suffering. Unfortunately, there are people, that believe humanity is TOTALLY ALRIGHT and it should be kept as it is currently - forever, securing the status Quo of those, who think of themselves as the modern-day aristocracy.

Oh well, I guess the saying is right - "People get the rulers they deserve". Who am I to say anything against the all-agreeing society of cheap entertainment consumers, too afraid to look beyond Tomorrow and face the biggest challenges the life itself presents before our fragile modern civilization.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Really, the people in the USSR were better off.


You can't possibly mean that. Think. The Soviet Union murdered tens of millions of it's own citizens, maintained a vast complex of slave labour camps for most of the 20th century, suppressed all dissenting political activity, delivered shabby and poor living standards, prevented it's citizens from travelling abroad or freely accessing foreign culture, news and information, and managed to devastate the environment. It also imposed all of that on many other countries in Europe through the use and threat of military force.

Western liberal democracy may be flawed and may have it's own shabby moments but it delivers a quality of life and a degree of personal freedom that no other system comes close to.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Really, the people in the USSR were better off.

Their bread and circuses were at least nutritious and intellectually enriching.

And they knew they could get their bread, unlike here. (And healthcare, too.)


The Soviet healthcare system was utterly abysmal. It was literally 100 years behind the best practice in Western countries. The Soviet medical staff were typically poorly trained, very poorly paid and unmotivated. Medical equipment was usually outdated and totally inadequate. Pharmaceuticals supplies were limited and frequently of poor quality.

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

[quote]"What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler[/quote]

ironic that Adolph Hitler pushed for universal healthcare.

Edited 2013-06-08 02:18 UTC

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