Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:40 UTC
Legal This story is getting bigger and bigger. Even though most Americans probably already knew, it is now official: the United States government, through its National Security Agency, is collecting the communications and data of all American citizens, and of non-Americans using American services, through a wide collaboration with the large companies in technology, like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and so on. Interestingly enough, the NSA itself, as well as the US government, have repeatedly and firmly denied this massive spying on Americans and non-Americans took place at all.
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Why is this bad?
by Alex Hitech on Fri 7th Jun 2013 15:53 UTC
Alex Hitech
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2005-12-29

I obviously think that total spying is not a bad thing. After all, this is for ours security. For yours and mine. Someone who does not cross the rules and laws will not be harmed by this spying. Only the criminals will. So be it.

Most of the outdoors murders in Israel, where I live, are now investigated based on the network of webcams that cover most of rural public areas. The result is obvious — drastic decline in number of outdoors crimes.

Spying to the right purposes is good. Public security is the right purpose — hence it justifies intrusion into personal space.

One of the reason for Microsoft buying Skype was that we were unable to hack Skype's protocol. (At that time I was working in the group that implemented Network protocol parsers). Now we have the protocol description. Is it bad? Hell, no. The data collected by our survelliance is used against criminals and terrorists, not against ordinary users.

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RE: Why is this bad?
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 7th Jun 2013 15:54 in reply to "Why is this bad?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You freak me out.

Sorry.

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RE: Why is this bad?
by umccullough on Fri 7th Jun 2013 16:00 in reply to "Why is this bad?"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Only the criminals will. So be it.


Until the average person is deemed a criminal, at which point the police state has set in.

We already see large corporations lobbying to pass laws that turn pretty much everyone into criminals - why would you expect that not to continue. Now that we have "the technology in place" to prove that people are doing things that are against the law, I think it's just a matter of time before we declare martial law on U.S. citizens and start locking them away in camps.

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RE[2]: Why is this bad?
by Alex Hitech on Fri 7th Jun 2013 16:09 in reply to "RE: Why is this bad?"
Alex Hitech Member since:
2005-12-29

Well, I tend to disagree with you. At least until such laws are actually passed. Which, again, may not be a bad thing, since there are some currently legal activities which, to my opinion, should be punished by law.

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RE[2]: Why is this bad?
by jackastor on Fri 7th Jun 2013 20:11 in reply to "RE: Why is this bad?"
jackastor Member since:
2009-05-05

"LAPD Revises Terror Policy but Still Labels Photographers as Potential Terrorists"

It's the McCarthyism of the new age.

http://www.copblock.org/20499/lapd-revises-terror-policy-but-still-...

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RE: Why is this bad?
by pooo on Fri 7th Jun 2013 17:05 in reply to "Why is this bad?"
pooo Member since:
2006-04-22

It is incredible how naive people can be (you) and how totally people can forget history (you) and why certain protections were created in the first place (you).

Power *will* be abused. The US constitution specifically prohibits illegal search and seizure because it is a huge opportunity for government abuses. The authors knew this because it was written in a time when this was rampant.

Sometimes when govt has too much power they will use it against their own citizens, then how will you like your lower crime rates? You have to accept that short term minor safety is not worth the total loss of govt oversight because that can easily result in a much worse reduction in your safety.

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RE[2]: Why is this bad?
by Alex Hitech on Fri 7th Jun 2013 18:45 in reply to "RE: Why is this bad?"
Alex Hitech Member since:
2005-12-29

I still think that lower crime rates now are much more important than theoretical possibility that some time in a distant future someone in the government will use this power to his own good.

After all, he is also watched, just like anyone else.

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RE[2]: Why is this bad?
by netpython on Sat 8th Jun 2013 12:57 in reply to "RE: Why is this bad?"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

How will there be lower crime rates,well actually less people in jail when narco officers get a bonus for every arrest they make? It's a full blown industry, prisons and everything around it.Ever seen a prison buisiness fair where all goods that directly and or in directly have some relation with the prison buisiness?

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