Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:40 UTC
Legal This story is getting bigger and bigger. Even though most Americans probably already knew, it is now official: the United States government, through its National Security Agency, is collecting the communications and data of all American citizens, and of non-Americans using American services, through a wide collaboration with the large companies in technology, like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and so on. Interestingly enough, the NSA itself, as well as the US government, have repeatedly and firmly denied this massive spying on Americans and non-Americans took place at all.
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RE: Who cares?
by lucas_maximus on Fri 7th Jun 2013 18:13 UTC in reply to "Who cares?"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Believe it or not most real criminals/terrorists are pretty thick.

Chris Morris is a satirist.

‘The Universal Male! We’ve ousted Martin Amis! I went to the high court and watched the Bluewater terrorist trial and got to hear a lot of MI5 surveillance tapes of the suspects, and you start to realise these people are klutzing around in a very average way – like men at stag parties or five-a-side football. Everyone reporting on it knew it was like “The Keystone Cops”. There’s a recording I heard where one guy says, “Hey bro, what’s the date today?” And the other guy says it’s the twenty-third. “So is tomorrow the twenty-fourth?” You wondered if they were stoned but the police said no.

‘There’s a bit where they’re arguing about who’s cooler, Bin Laden or Johnny Depp. You hear ridiculous things like, “My wife’s really pissed off with you ’cos she made you these sandwiches and you didn’t eat them and then you ate a load of chocolate spread. Hey, wouldn’t it be brilliant if we pulled an airliner out of the sky? Yeah bro, that’d be fantastic! What’s on telly tonight? Ah that Richard Littlejohn, I don’t like him. When’s Jeremy Clarkson on, he’s brilliant?”

‘You have to unload a lot of cultural and factual stuff to create a context for these – actually really normal – reactions between blokes. The one who wants to be leader, the thick one, the bullied type…’


http://www.timeout.com/london/film/chris-morris-and-the-writers-of-...

The idea of doing a comedy is right there in the record of the facts, whether you're talking about these Yemenis who planned to blow up a US warship with an exploding boat, and got as far as putting their launch in the water and when they filled it with explosives, it sank—okay, that's a little like something from a caper.

Or, these Canadian guys who were going to assassinate the Canadian Prime Minister, until they forgot his name. The world is crying out with these examples, and after a point you can't ignore it anymore.


http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/fourlions.html

The idea of a master criminal/terroris is really just something Hollywood made up.

Edited 2013-06-07 18:24 UTC

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RE[2]: Who cares?
by vitae on Fri 7th Jun 2013 18:49 in reply to "RE: Who cares?"
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

Between Zohan and The Dictator, hasn't this been covered already?

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RE[3]: Who cares?
by lucas_maximus on Fri 7th Jun 2013 22:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Who cares?"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

But anything from Morris is a lot funnier.

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RE[2]: Who cares?
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 8th Jun 2013 02:31 in reply to "RE: Who cares?"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

The idea of doing a comedy is right there in the record of the facts, whether you're talking about these Yemenis who planned to blow up a US warship with an exploding boat, and got as far as putting their launch in the water and when they filled it with explosives, it sank—okay, that's a little like something from a caper.


Can't..... tthype.... llaughinhg too hbard...!!!

I can almost see how that would translate into a perfect comedy scene. Most likely the boat would be tied to a dock, and probably on just one side... so it sinks, hits the end of the ropes, and tips on its side, spilling out the explosives. With those gone, the boat would then shoot back up to the surface. So now I have this mental image of a bunch of guys peering down into the water right before the boat re-surfaces, knocking them all off the dock... or just landing on them, Loony Tunes-style.

Or, these Canadian guys who were going to assassinate the Canadian Prime Minister, until they forgot his name. The world is crying out with these examples, and after a point you can't ignore it anymore.


Which PM? If it was Chretien, then in all fairness even Dubya couldn't remember his name:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KwEDgpSWxo

The idea of a master criminal/terroris is really just something Hollywood made up.


Yep. I remember reading a line years back along the lines of "typically, people don't turn to a life of crime because Bell Labs has a hiring freeze." I've recently discovered Brian Krebs' site (krebsonsecurity.com) and there are some fantastic examples. Like the thief/ves who incorrectly installed an "ATM skimming" device, so it came off in the hands of the first person who used the ATM... who drove off with it (as I understand it, the devices typically cost in the $2-5k range). Or the competing Russian pharma spammers who both tried to pay off corrupt officials to have the others arrested, essentially getting themselves into a bidding war.

Or the would-be suicide bomber in Russia, who used a cell phone for a detonator... and then had her bomb detonate early, because she forgot to turn the phone off and it received a spam SMS from the mobile carrier:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/killer-text-a-russian-suicide-bo...

Or the owner of a bulletproof hosting company who threw a temper tantrum on a Spamhaus-related mailing list because his IP ranges had been listed... claiming that the Spamhaus report didn't have enough details, despite containing both the domains & the IPs. Then he proceeded to repeatedly claim that he'd taken down sites that were still up. Turns out the guy was ALSO notorious from having peddled "DDoS protection" services on IRC years earlier - which was basically a protection racket where anyone who didn't purchase the service would coincidentally suffer a DDoS shortly after. Some of the responses on the thread were beautiful, took me back to the good 'ol days of Usenet.

>> That is not in our IP space.

> http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.120.186?showDetails=true&s...

If they claim its not theirs lets ask ARIN to revoke the space.

http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-January/030760.html

Mail me your router logins and i'll make sure its peoperly null routed.
And some more.

http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-January/030797.html

> We don't *care* if you got this issue with Spamhaus resolved. You
> turned it into a much *larger* problem than that.

Really? Problem solved:

% cat - >> sendmail-access
From:jeffrey.lyon at gmail.com 550 Mail refused
From:jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net 550 Mail refused
Connect:199.59.160 550 Mail refused
Connect:199.59.161 550 Mail refused
[...]
Life simplification through automation / shell scripting.
(Which reminds me, I really need a tool to add an ASN to the
Sendmail access file automatically.)

...

Oh, wait, you meant a problem for *Jeffrey.* Yes, that could be.

http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-January/030836.html

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RE[2]: Who cares?
by Soulbender on Sat 8th Jun 2013 03:53 in reply to "RE: Who cares?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Well, I dunno. Some smart criminals came up with this surveillance thing where you monitor the population for "their own good".

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