Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Jun 2013 11:40 UTC
Legal This story is getting bigger and bigger. Even though most Americans probably already knew, it is now official: the United States government, through its National Security Agency, is collecting the communications and data of all American citizens, and of non-Americans using American services, through a wide collaboration with the large companies in technology, like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and so on. Interestingly enough, the NSA itself, as well as the US government, have repeatedly and firmly denied this massive spying on Americans and non-Americans took place at all.
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WereCatf
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2006-02-15

So my conclusion is: In order to stop the spying, stop the spies from doing what they do, and stop their objects from happily helping them! This means: Remove their infrastructures, disturb their operations, cause trouble on their side.


Pfh. Not logging everything, encrypting everything in a way that you can't decrypt it and not voluntarily giving out all the information you can already goes a long way.

First, it will have to be a "registered business" so people start recognizing it seriously. It will of course have to cost money (because "if it's for free, it's shit"). This creates several dependencies to the state (which runs the spying), and it will probably not officially allow a company to act against the state's goals.


And? There's plenty of countries that do not have laws that require you to divulge everything you've got on your servers.

You only seem to believe that it's not worth doing anything unless you can fix *everything* at once, something that I disagree with.

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Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"So my conclusion is: In order to stop the spying, stop the spies from doing what they do, and stop their objects from happily helping them! This means: Remove their infrastructures, disturb their operations, cause trouble on their side.


Pfh. Not logging everything, encrypting everything in a way that you can't decrypt it and not voluntarily giving out all the information you can already goes a long way.
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It's actually a very good start if you start this on your side (client side). Paying attention to what programs you use and what "data hygiene" you can exercise is important, and I would even say basic IT knowledge is mandatory. Sadly, in our society which can be characterized by "you don't need to know shit about what you're participating on" this is already "too much" for average users. Maybe a future "elite" of users will have some abilities to avoid being victims of governmental spying (to some degree), but for the masses, I don't see this coming.

First, it will have to be a "registered business" so people start recognizing it seriously. It will of course have to cost money (because "if it's for free, it's shit"). This creates several dependencies to the state (which runs the spying), and it will probably not officially allow a company to act against the state's goals.


And? There's plenty of countries that do not have laws that require you to divulge everything you've got on your servers. [/q]

That's fully correct, but as I said, the Internet does not obey national borders. You need to have a whole "second Internet" (with all the encryption, privacy and security) that won't have any compromized elements in it. Creating and maintaining such a massive structure is something I don't see coming soon.

People usually do things that pay. And as soon as money is involved, obligations tend to increase. That is the big danger of sacrificing the privacy of a service when financial deprivations are knocking at the door.

You only seem to believe that it's not worth doing anything unless you can fix *everything* at once, something that I disagree with.


Then I assume I did not express properly. English is not my native language. In fact, every single step is important and will add "sticks and stones" to those who are used to obtain all the data they want in an easy manner (because they are provided by the objects of the spying). Encrypting e-mail is a good start. Securing web sessions is also useful. The more complicated it gets for spies to obtain the information they want (which is, "all the information"), the better. Please reconsider my statements with this opinion.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

It's actually a very good start if you start this on your side (client side). Paying attention to what programs you use and what "data hygiene" you can exercise is important, and I would even say basic IT knowledge is mandatory.


No. Most of the interesting data resides on servers, not clients. Think of e.g. e-mail: all the interesting stuff is there on the servers and accessible and whatever client you choose won't change that fact and as such the protection of your e-mail secrets and privacy is placed on the shoulders of the entity running the servers. Web browsers are an even better example of this: the client only handles input/output, the servers handle all the raw stuff, and no matter which client you choose Facebook or whatever can still access all your stuff.

The protection starts from servers.

Edited 2013-06-07 21:26 UTC

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