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Legal This story is getting bigger and bigger. Even though most Americans probably already knew, it is now official: the United States government, through its National Security Agency, is collecting the communications and data of all American citizens, and of non-Americans using American services, through a wide collaboration with the large companies in technology, like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and so on. Interestingly enough, the NSA itself, as well as the US government, have repeatedly and firmly denied this massive spying on Americans and non-Americans took place at all.
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lucas_maximus
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2009-08-18

The point was that you can kill a lot of people in that time period. At 7 million died in 1 year in 1933.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

that is 10% of what he claimed to have died in the entire USSR's existence.

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

The USSR did not last a whole century, more like 7 decades. And most of the purges and famine were carried out during Stalin's tenure, which again was nowhere near one century in length. And that furthers my point: the horrific Ukranian genocide may have wiped out one quarter of the population. Just because something is horrific, it does not give license to not comprehend what 70 million deaths implies in the context of the overall Russian population at the time.

In any case, it is silly to go down the road of trying to create false dichotomies where citizens of one nation have some kind of higher moral standing because their own genocides "killed less people." It completely dehumanizes the victims in all sides an turns them into fodder for cheap points.

Stalinist genocide(s) were crimes against humanity, and so were the whipping out of native populations in the creation of this country. Which is the point I was trying to make, before we go further down red herring road.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The USSR did not last a whole century, more like 7 decades. And most of the purges and famine were carried out during Stalin's tenure, which again was nowhere near one century in length. And that furthers my point: the horrific Ukranian genocide may have wiped out one quarter of the population. Just because something is horrific, it does not give license to not comprehend what 70 million deaths implies in the context of the overall Russian population at the time.


I know it didn't last a hundred years. I was being trite.

In any case, it is silly to go down the road of trying to create false dichotomies where citizens of one nation have some kind of higher moral standing because their own genocides "killed less people." It completely dehumanizes the victims in all sides an turns them into fodder for cheap points.

Stalinist genocide(s) were crimes against humanity, and so were the whipping out of native populations in the creation of this country. Which is the point I was trying to make, before we go further down red herring road.


Yes you are right.

But the whole point was that someone made a post being overly dramatic about the Modern USA.

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