Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 8th Jun 2013 14:57 UTC
Legal And yes, the PRISM scandal is far, far from over. More and more information keeps leaking out, and the more gets out, the worse it gets. The companies involved have sent out official statements - often by mouth of their CEOs - and what's interesting is that not only are these official statements eerily similar to each other, using the same terms clearly designed by lawyers, they also directly contradict new reports from The New York Times. So, who is lying?
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by woegjiub on Sat 8th Jun 2013 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Re:"
woegjiub
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2008-11-25

socialism != fascism.

It has brought it in the past, but the most heavily socialist states in the world are the freeest; scandinavia, NZ, Aus, EU, etc.

Edited 2013-06-08 23:18 UTC

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by djohnston on Sun 9th Jun 2013 02:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
djohnston Member since:
2006-04-11

socialism != fascism.


That's true. The U.S. is both socialist and fascist. In retrospect, what I should have said is that those who believe corporations have no influence over the decision-making at the state and federal levels have not been paying attention. This has been going on a long time, even before the rise of Rockefeller's Standard Oil.

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by orfanum on Sun 9th Jun 2013 08:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

Social democracy is not socialism. All the places you mention have social democratic principles or underpinnings, not socialist ones.

It's political 101 stuff.

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by woegjiub on Sun 9th Jun 2013 13:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Re:"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

Social democracy is watered-down socialism, no?
Government-owned media, power, and other infrastructure (where competition makes no sense, because it needs to be ubiquitous) is a weakened form of government ownership of the means of production.


Once you take subsidies and investments in research and businesses into account, you may not have a socialist state, but it's not a free market either; it's in the middle.

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