Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 9th Jun 2013 21:47 UTC
Legal The former NSA employee - a man in military service in the US for a decade - has revealed himself in an interview with The Guardian. "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards. I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things [...] I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under." He did it out of a sense of civic duty. He's in Hong Kong, and doesn't expect to ever see home again. Poor guy.
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RE[3]: What can I say?
by gilboa on Mon 10th Jun 2013 09:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What can I say?"
gilboa
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2005-07-06

I'm not American either, but I do care about this.

The fact is, the surveillance isn't limited to Americans. Based on the information that's leaked, it looks like they have been keeping track of people all over the world, including many Indians.


I should point out that I have some internal knowledge at how LEA DPI solutions work, and who they usually target.
Plus, I have a fairly good idea how many lives have been saved due to intelligence generated by such systems.

When I said I don't care, I meant it literally - the debate, in my view is plain stupid.
In an age where people more-or-less lost all barriers when it comes to sharing personal information (Be that over Facebook, Twitter, Google Plus, etc) the assumption that there such thing as "personal privacy" is amusing at best. The NSA is no better nor worse than any social network web-site selling user information to ad networks.

In my view, the question everybody should be asking is not whether the NSA should or should not be conducting mass scale DPI - but actually, how come the NSA *failed* to stop the terror attacks in 9/11 and the recent attacks in Boston.

- Gilboa

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RE[4]: What can I say?
by Frederik on Mon 10th Jun 2013 10:41 in reply to "RE[3]: What can I say?"
Frederik Member since:
2012-07-29

When I said I don't care, I meant it literally - the debate, in my view is plain stupid.
In an age where people more-or-less lost all barriers when it comes to sharing personal information (Be that over Facebook, Twitter, Google Plus, etc) the assumption that there such thing as "personal privacy" is amusing at best. The NSA is no better nor worse than any social network web-site selling user information to ad networks.


There is a monumental difference between "I, as individual, choose to give up some of my rights" versus "Let's take away everyones rights".

There is a monumental difference between "Here's some data about me I'm voluntarily sharing with peers." versus "Let's collect, store, filter, analyze everyones data".

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RE[5]: What can I say?
by gilboa on Tue 11th Jun 2013 13:01 in reply to "RE[4]: What can I say?"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

There is a monumental difference between "Here's some data about me I'm voluntarily sharing with peers." versus "Let's collect, store, filter, analyze everyones data".


I assume that you are aware that the "share" part includes all your webmails, VOIP logs and God knows what else, right?

- Gilboa

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RE[4]: What can I say?
by bassbeast on Tue 11th Jun 2013 05:20 in reply to "RE[3]: What can I say?"
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2007-11-11

You know why you should care? because it allows those with access to that info to pretty much control the elections because in this day and age there is NOBODY who hasn't done or said something on the Internet that could be used against them.

Don't forget the way J. Edgar was able to control so much for so long is that ALL feared his files, even if you THOUGHT he might not have anything on you, would you REALLY risk everything to find out?

Think about how much control this will give them against anybody in politics, they have proof of what kind of porn you like, any affairs you may have had, which member of your family had a drug problem, with nothing but this data you could change the outcome of elections just by making sure some rag got info against you at the right time! And of course any "winner" that doesn't want to play ball, and sign off on anything their little heart desires as far as budget or rule bending or whatever? well one little talk with him about how much dirt this gives them will smack that sucker in line, won't it?

Remember we are talking about a country that nearly had a president impeached over getting oral sex, the info they have would give them more power and control than J Edgar ever had, I mean if they had a file on every video you had EVER watched, every thing you had EVER wrote, and everything you had EVER done, really how hard would it be to get you to go along with what they tell you to do?

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RE[5]: What can I say?
by gilboa on Tue 11th Jun 2013 12:59 in reply to "RE[4]: What can I say?"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

Let me just say I have some knowledge about homeland security DPI systems (outside of the U.S) - how they are being used and why and non of them, to be best of the knowledge, was ever used to spy in Joe-Six-Pack.

Most people fear that the "government" will abuse the information it has about you (assuming it actually keeps a complete record about each and every citizen - something that I doubt, greatly) but care little about what Google/Facebook/Microsoft/Twitter/Myspace/etc are doing with the *same* (or actually, more) information.
You somehow assume that your future political opponents will have complete access to the NSA super-duper-secret vault, but won't be able to bribe some stupid schmuck at your local social-web-site-operator-X and/or your ISP to get all the juicy details about you.

If you want real privacy, I would suggest you stop using electronic communications, period. Everything else, is more-or-less like using Tor to surf facebook...

As for J. Edgar Hoover - well, you more or less just proved why you *don't* need the NSA super-secret DB to get all the dirt about more-or-less everyone....

- Gilboa

Edited 2013-06-11 13:05 UTC

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