Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Jun 2013 17:07 UTC
Apple We already talked about iOS 7 yesterday (after a night of sleep, it's only looking worse and worse - look at this, for Fiona's sake!), so now it's time to talk about the downright stunning and belly flutters-inducing new Mac Pro. As former owner and huge, huge, huge fan of the PowerMac G4 Cube - I haven't been this excited about an Apple product since, well, I would say the iMac G4. This is the Apple I used to love.
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Just say no to the new Mac Pro
by PLan on Tue 11th Jun 2013 19:40 UTC
PLan
Member since:
2006-01-10

The only decent Mac was the expandable, maintainable, cheese grater Mac Pro - that's why I bought one. Now Apple have released a form over function, suppository shaped, replacement. I won't buy one and if I ever need another OS X workstation I'll be looking at a Hackintosh.

The only good thing about the new Mac Pro is that it has reminded me that large numbers of utter cretins support Apple no matter how ridiculous their products.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

if I ever need another OS X workstation I'll be looking at a Hackintosh.

No you won't, at least not after the first month of keeping a hackintosh maintained. It makes using Gentoo Linux as your primary desktop os look painless by comparison.

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qwaszx Member since:
2012-02-03

"No you won't, at least not after the first month of keeping a hackintosh maintained"

^^ POS, or you are dumb

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kompak Member since:
2011-06-14

It makes using Gentoo Linux as your primary desktop os look painless by comparison.

I've always found Gentoo to be quite easy to maintain. Most things are automated and if you don't do anything stupid not is likely to break.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

The only good thing about the new Mac Pro is that it has reminded me that large numbers of utter cretins support Apple no matter how ridiculous their products.


Bahaha, ain't that the truth. This is why REAL power users can't have nice things.

These days, you don't have to do any real innovation. Just put a PC in a cylinder that looks like an Imperial torture droid, and you'll have nimrods lined up around the block, probably clutching their aluminum iPhone 5 or HTC One fashion accessories.

Thing is, I KIND OF understand this obsession with form over function when it comes to phones... I mean, if you're using them as status symbols, at least you carry it around with you, so others can see how cool you are. Some people will spend $2,000 on a hand bag that probably cost $.50 to manufacture in some Vietnamese sweatshop because it makes them feel important. I could never understand the mentality of such a person, but at least I can comprehend it on some basic level.

But when it comes to a device that probably sits on the floor and/or under a desk in your house, I just don't get it. I've even done a Google search trying to understand the psychology of people who care about such inane bullshit, and came up empty-handed. Fact is, if this machine were a 'beige box', nobody would care in the least. When choosing a new PC, how 'ugly' the case is or isn't has never even factored into the equation for me. In fact, I find those gussied up cases with led lights and shit to be EXTREMELY annoying. They could all be beige boxes for all I care.

If you were to judge a person by how beautiful they are, in total disregard for what's on the inside, modern society would call you shallow. But apparently, we're supposed to be fixated on the 'sexiness' of inanimate objects. If you ask me, our priorities are in the wrong place ;)

Edited 2013-06-11 21:06 UTC

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

I've even done a Google search trying to understand the psychology of people who care about such inane bullshit, and came up empty-handed.


... of course there is always the possibility that you may just not be that good at googling stuff.

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CapEnt Member since:
2005-12-18

I voted you up. I too hate shiny boxes with lots of led lights disturbing the darkness of my room when i go to sleep.

But, somehow i do understand the people who buy this: they like fashion and art, and they do like harmony in the place that he lives. They like art panels in their walls, well designed and build furniture, nice wall painting, a good carpet, aleatory decor objects... all matching each other. And they go to great lengths to assure that all fits his taste, doing this for themselves, not to show. For them, power user or not, i do find a use for this shiny aluminum cylinder.

I say that because i'm one of them. But speaking frankly, there's lots of well designed PC cases that fits this purpose very well, and way more cheaper.

I just hope that this move by Apple makes motherboard manufacturers to take in consideration that cases could be something else, other than a square box.

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Ill get modded down of course, but what the heck ;)

These days, you don't have to do any real innovation. Just put a PC in a cylinder that looks like an Imperial torture droid, and you'll have nimrods lined up around the block, probably clutching their aluminum iPhone 5 or HTC One fashion accessories.


People throw the word innovation around without understanding what it means...

Inovation: Noun

1. A new method, idea, product, etc.
2. The action or process of innovating.

Common Synonyms: Novelty, Newness, Departure, Modification

My only point really is this IS innovation - you just don't like it. That's fine and all, I totally get that and you are certainly entitled. But you say it's not real innovation... What is? Apple is essentially an VAR when talking about anything north of tablets - they don't make computers - they "package" them. If their package is just like all the other packages, well then that ARE NOT innovating are they?

In a nutshell, if it was a big beige box it would most certainly be LESS innovative, wouldn't it?

Thing is, I KIND OF understand this obsession with form over function when it comes to phones... I mean, if you're using them as status symbols, at least you carry it around with you, so others can see how cool you are.


There are lots of people who feel like you do about this. I think it is simply a lack of perspective on human psychology.

Apple makes computers and gadgets - but they sell them primarily based on refined design. Sure, lots of people buy these kinds of things purely to look cool or whatever - I don't deny that at all. But it's not having the "thing" that makes such a person feel "cool" - it is the fact that they want others to see them as someone who appreciates such things (design, asthetics, etc.) and is willing to pay for it. It is the epitome of a status symbol. Such people are shallow, I will spend no time defending them.

There are lots of people though that actually appreciate refined design. They buy nice things - nice furniture, nice cars, nice houses, nice art, nice wine, etc. They appreciate such things beyond how it makes them look to others - because they really don't care what other people think, they have money, like to spend it in ways that make them happy, and can easily afford it. They are called "rich" and they are the target of a great deal of commerce in market economies...

There are still others that do some of that even though that are NOT rich, they are more picky though. Some will buy high end scotch or beer, some splurge on clothes, some on furniture, etc. They are not rich, but they selectively spend excess money on certain things because they simply appreciate those things. It is a form of self reward and has nothing at all to do with image or status symbols.

Apple does things the way they do because they want THESE kinds of people to buy their products. They do this because they like to operate at very high margins, and this is how ALL high margin products are sold.

You appeal to a sense of taste and aesthetics, you present a product that obviously took lots of effort, you make certain you present it in a way that leaves no question to the fact they you really thought about how it is made and how it all goes together. Then you charge a lot of $$$ for it.

That is how luxury cars are sold, that is how fine cigars are sold, that is how good scotch is sold, etc. It is how Pioneer managed to sell Plasma TVs for $10,000 when everyone else was selling them for $3000. I could keep going FOREVER.

Point is there is some item that you buy, yes YOU - that can falls into this category. If there isn't you are not human... It may be as simple as buying Coke instead of no-name Cola, but you do it. Everyone does.

It is emphatically not only about status symbols and looking cool... There is more to it than that.

Conveniently for Apple, there is one particular demographic that they simple don't care AT ALL about appealing to - it is people who don't appreciate what they do. If you think of phones or computers as all being the same, look and feel doesn't matter, one beige box is just as good as another, well they don't really care about you buying their products - you are their kryptonite and they don't want you.

If they spent an ounce of effort trying to make these people happy they would turn into AST, Hewlett Packard, Gateway, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. Another boring OEM on a race to the bottom on pricing... I'm not saying that an Apple computer is better than a Dell or HP or whatever, I'm saying that Apple's business model depends on them not selling the same stuff that everyone else sells... It has to be different or they can't justify the pricing - the key is they effectively convince quite a lot of people that their idea of different = better.

My point (I do have one) is that being frugal about computers is fine - there is nothing at all wrong with it. Some people just don't care about form and only want function. To each their own an all that. The solution is simple - don't buy Apple stuff. There are LOTS of alternatives.

But please don't assume that all people that do care about such things are just trying to look "cool" - its infuriating. It would be like me calling you a cheapskate or a tightass - it is nothing but a form of name calling.

I really don't think that you are either of those things btw. I'm a middle aged guy on a middle class salary. I have a Macbook Air - one of the few things I splurged on, and I really REALLY like it. Fact is I'm more embarrassed to haul it around than anything else - specifically because I know some people assume that I must be a techno-snob or something...

I can't afford (and don't want) a Mac Pro. But I don't automatically think that people that can and do are sheep... There is more to it than that.

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sforstall1983 Member since:
2012-09-28

Well said

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graig Member since:
2010-09-18

It's actually function over form. They. Picked a design that was amazing for cooling. Really all computers should be mounted to heatsinks like this.

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steveftoth Member since:
2005-10-30

I don't get why people are so excited for what is essentially a MacMini with better CPU and graphics. The Mini has all the same expandability as this thing, just less of it.

Mini has 1 ThunderBolt, 5 USB 3 and FireWire 800 and onboard graphics.

This thing has lots of ThunderBolt 2, USB 3, NO Firewire, and 2 Graphics Cads.

Overall it's a much better machine, but they significantly shortened the amount of time that you'll be able to use it as none of the parts except for RAM seem modifiable. I think you'll have to look for a new one in about a year and a half in order to get new graphics cards since Graphics cards are still getting faster.

Also one big thing that nobody thinks about is that you are stuck with AMD Cards. This is fine for some people but for those who need nVidia CUDA this machine is not an option.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

You'd be better off ditching OS X for BSD or even GNU/Linux than building a Hackintosh for production work these days. Even building an exact replica of Lifehacker's continuously current Hackintosh reference machine leaves one with all sorts of annoying minor issues that add up to a bad experience in the end. It's counterproductive to build a machine that takes so much effort to maintain, just because your platform choice doesn't suit you on a particular day. It's a hobby and nothing more (not that there's anything wrong with that).

If you absolutely have to have OS X, why not go with a maxed out Mac mini? I don't know what kind of work you do, but unless you need the dual GPUs or 16 CPU cores, a current-gen mini is quite a powerful machine for nearly any job requiring that OS.

Or if you do need multiple GPUs, you could grab a current model Mac Pro while they are still available, and you'll have a fully upgradeable machine that will last at least seven to ten more years (assuming OS releases post-Mavericks will support it).

I just don't get this attitude of "Apple announced some piece of crap that will one day replace what I know and love, oh well I better jump ship right now even though current models are still available!" Screw that, take advantage of dropping prices on what still works for you, or find a platform better suited to your obviously mission-critical needs.

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