Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Nov 2005 17:51 UTC, submitted by AdriAn Avila
Novell and Ximian Rumors circulating that Novell is going to kill off its popular Linux desktop lines are completely false. [However,] Novell is making one large strategic change. The GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES and Novell Linux Desktop line. KDE libraries will be supplied on both, but the bulk of Novell's interface moving forward will be on GNOME. "The entire KDE graphical interface and product family will continue to be supported and delivered on OpenSuSE."
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RE: paying
by sonic1001 on Sat 5th Nov 2005 20:10 UTC in reply to "paying"
sonic1001
Member since:
2005-07-18

You have it backwards Superstoned, WE are the ones that are begging for commerical support. If we want commerical software like that which is avaliable on Windows and Mac OSX, we have to be as developer friendly as possible. Forcing a company to pay $3300 per developer just to develop on Linux* would be suicide. Even Microsoft's development tools are cheaper!

*Yes, $3300 for just Linux, then $4950 for two platforms and $6600 for 3 platforms and all of that is for ONE developer. Could you imagine how much money a small company would have to pay to develop on Linux? WOW!

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RE[2]: paying
by pinky on Sat 5th Nov 2005 20:22 in reply to "RE: paying"
pinky Member since:
2005-07-15

>WE are the ones that are begging for commerical support.

Does WE are really doing this? Does WE are begging for commercial support? Does we are begging for proprietary Software? Does we are begging for both? Or maybe for nothing of both?
Who are you that you think you can talk for US?

>Yes, $3300 for just Linux, then $4950 for two platforms and $6600 for 3 platforms and all

No, $3300 is for all 3 platforms. $3300 for the best cross-platform toolkit you can get. $3300 for the best C++ Framework. $3300 for maintainig ONE code for ALL platforms. $3300 for a great tool if a single project has a value of more 100000 dollars, that's the best bargain everyone can get!

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RE[3]: paying
by sonic1001 on Sat 5th Nov 2005 20:34 in reply to "RE[2]: paying"
sonic1001 Member since:
2005-07-18

"We" refers to everyone who is not a zealot and wants Linux to be real solution for everyone, home users included. Home users need commerical support.

/*No, $3300 is for all 3 platforms. $3300 for the best cross-platform toolkit you can get. $3300 for the best C++ Framework. $3300 for maintainig ONE code for ALL platforms. $3300 for a great tool if a single project has a value of more 100000 dollars, that's the best bargain everyone can get!*/

Fine don't take my word for it, take a look at Trolltech's pricing guide then.

http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/pricing.html

$3300 is for ONE platform and ONE developer

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RE[2]: paying
by on Sat 5th Nov 2005 22:41 in reply to "RE: paying"
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*Yes, $3300 for just Linux, then $4950 for two platforms and $6600 for 3 platforms and all of that is for ONE developer. Could you imagine how much money a small company would have to pay to develop on Linux? WOW!

Let's see. (I'd probably better check your figures, but I'll just take them at face value for now).

Assuming the company is in Germany, OK? Assuming it has 6 developers. Assuming 3 of them work with Qt, and they develop multi-platform. Ready?

1st year:
------------
+ 3x annual wage, plus health, tax, insurance:
(per developer 50.000.- )........ 210.000.- EUR
+ 3x license (a 6.600.- )............. 19.800.- EUR

2nd year:
------------
+ 3x annual wage, plus health, tax, insurance:
(per developer 70.000.- )........ 210.000.- EUR
+ 3x license (a 0.000.- ).............. 0.000.- EUR


It's less than a 10% increase of costs in the 1st year, just compared with wages, and 0% increase in all the following years.

Trolltech licenses includes world-class support. They are known to make developers so much more productive and writing code that contains far fewer bugs. It allows them to sell any amount of derived software, on any platform.

I call this a bargain.

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RE[3]: paying
by japail on Sun 6th Nov 2005 06:39 in reply to "RE[2]: paying"
japail Member since:
2005-06-30

Since you're calculating for us, perhaps you can do the same for programmers in India, Russia, or Poland. While we're at it, how many third-party commercial widget and theme providers are there for Qt? Am I going to be able to license third-party controls not available as part of the Qt framework, or am I going to have to mine them from KDE? How much should I expect to license these components? If there isn't such an industry around the toolkit, could I save more money by hiring fewer programmers proficient with something else than hiring more to build all of my own widgets not included in the toolkit?

None of this is as simplistic as you want it to be. TT has produced an excellent portable C++ toolkit, and I think it's obviously the best of its kind, but it's not exactly blazing through the proprietary software development world.

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