Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Jun 2013 17:32 UTC
Microsoft From Bloomberg: "Microsoft, the world's largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes." The lid has officially been blown off.
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RE: Great Firewall of China
by BallmerKnowsBest on Sat 15th Jun 2013 18:02 UTC in reply to "Great Firewall of China"
BallmerKnowsBest
Member since:
2008-06-02

Now we know one of the reasons they created it, and why many on USA were so pissed-off about that.


Buwahahahaha! Riiiiiiiiiiiight, the GFW is purely a defensive measure... I'm sure it has nothing to do with China being one of the most censorship-happy regimes in the industrialized world, not to mention their history of draconian control over what information their citizens can access. After all, we know that people in China can easily access sites with information about Tienanmen Square, or Tibetan/Taiwanese independence... oh, wait.

Congrats, you've posted what has to be the dumbest, most absurd claim I've seen in this entire thread. And that's saying something, given the stiff competition.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Buwahahahaha! Riiiiiiiiiiiight, the GFW is purely a defensive measure... I'm sure it has nothing to do with China being one of the most censorship-happy regimes in the industrialized world, not to mention their history of draconian control over what information their citizens can access. After all, we know that people in China can easily access sites with information about Tienanmen Square, or Tibetan/Taiwanese independence... oh, wait.


The inconvenient facts:

Tibet has been considered a part of China for over 2500 years. The Tibetan llamas ran a brutally repressive feudal system. Western supporters of Tibetan independence are essentially useful idiots. [In public the Dalai Llama hides his true opinions such as his absolute hatred of homosexuality.]

Chinese citizens can travel freely to many Western countries.

There are daily flights between Taiwan and mainland China.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese students study at western universities.

Six million Chinese citizens in Hong Kong have uncensored internet access.

There is a great deal of robust online discussion and social networking in China.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You might want to substantiate your "facts".

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

"Buwahahahaha! Riiiiiiiiiiiight, the GFW is purely a defensive measure... I'm sure it has nothing to do with China being one of the most censorship-happy regimes in the industrialized world, not to mention their history of draconian control over what information their citizens can access. After all, we know that people in China can easily access sites with information about Tienanmen Square, or Tibetan/Taiwanese independence... oh, wait.


The inconvenient facts:

Tibet has been considered a part of China for over 2500 years. The Tibetan llamas ran a brutally repressive feudal system. Western supporters of Tibetan independence are essentially useful idiots. [In public the Dalai Llama hides his true opinions such as his absolute hatred of homosexuality.]
"

Red herring, that doesn't actually address any of the points I made or the ridiculous claim that I was responding to.

Many of the original inhabitants of North & South America were just as brutal (if not more so, ritual human sacrifice and all that)... and because of that, you would be OK if the US government blocked their citizens from accessing information about, say, the Trail of Tears?

Chinese citizens can travel freely to many Western countries.

There are daily flights between Taiwan and mainland China.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese students study at western universities.

There is a great deal of robust online discussion and social networking in China.


Relevance?

Oh, and you left out another interesting fact: China is also second only to Russia when it comes to turning a blind eye to actual cybercrime, (just as long the crimes are only committed against westerners).

Six million Chinese citizens in Hong Kong have uncensored internet access.


In other words: the only way for Chinese citizens to avoid internet censorship is to live somewhere other than China. Noted.

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RE[2]: Great Firewall of China
by acobar on Sun 16th Jun 2013 02:32 in reply to "RE: Great Firewall of China"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

What part of "ONE of the reasons" you missed? What I left subtle on my comment and, unluckily, one thing that strongly ties USA and China governments is that them both are paranoid states where the powerful elite are more than willing to sacrifice the liberty and privacy of their citizens to justify the maintaining of the status-quo.

They label and treat their own people and other countries under suspicion flag and as so they prepare the communication infra-structure with barriers and traps, frequently overstepping their own legal systems. This is what USA did as also China. They both went to extreme extents on that. USA, China, Russia and some other countries have power circles that are way too poisonous.

What I left tacit is not that China already did know about PRISMA but that paranoid countries act on presumption and that they use all available disinformation techniques to gain some advantage. Specifically, on USA case, many politicians and members of the government went public to criticize the GFC when they probably already knew about the USA spy efforts. I guess, it is too much to assume the all readers will infer that. Well, I hope your self-confidence on your cognitive abilities do not get affected.

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

What part of "ONE of the reasons" you missed?


Please. It really doesn't matter hether you claim it as one reason, or the sole reason - it's still an absurd, completely unsubstantiated claim. Bullshit is still bullshit, the quantity doesn't change that.

What I left subtle on my comment and, unluckily, one thing that strongly ties USA and China governments is that them both are paranoid states where the powerful elite are more than willing to sacrifice the liberty and privacy of their citizens to justify the maintaining of the status-quo.

They label and treat their own people and other countries under suspicion flag and as so they prepare the communication infra-structure with barriers and traps, frequently overstepping their own legal systems. This is what USA did as also China. They both went to extreme extents on that. USA, China, Russia and some other countries have power circles that are way too poisonous.


I hate to use this twice in one month, but...

False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
[...]
A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

What I left tacit is not that China already did know about PRISMA but that paranoid countries act on presumption and that they use all available disinformation techniques to gain some advantage. Specifically, on USA case, many politicians and members of the government went public to criticize the GFC when they probably already knew about the USA spy efforts.


False equivalence, once again - you do realize that spying is not the same thing as censorship, right?

I guess, it is too much to assume the all readers will infer that. Well, I hope your self-confidence on your cognitive abilities do not get affected.


Wow. I hope you used plenty of lubricant, wouldn't want you to get chafed from stroking your own ego so enthusiastically.

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