Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Jun 2013 17:32 UTC
Microsoft From Bloomberg: "Microsoft, the world's largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes." The lid has officially been blown off.
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RE[4]: Great Firewall of China
by acobar on Sun 16th Jun 2013 21:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Great Firewall of China"
acobar
Member since:
2005-11-15

Please. It really doesn't matter hether you claim it as one reason, or the sole reason - it's still an absurd, completely unsubstantiated claim. Bullshit is still bullshit, the quantity doesn't change that.


Let me see, it is bullshit because you said so?

False equivalence, once again - you do realize that spying is not the same thing as censorship, right?


And you do realize that they are not mutually exclusive do you? USA has been doing censorship and spying since forever. You do not believe me right? So, what do you think are the so called "classified information" that is all over the place? Also, go and read history facts about human tragedies triggered by USA actions all around the globe. No that big difference to me between USA government elite and the their bad pals around the globe.

And please, stop projecting your own sexual fantasies on others, keep them to yourself, there are some things that are better to maintain private. ;-)

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

"Please. It really doesn't matter hether you claim it as one reason, or the sole reason - it's still an absurd, completely unsubstantiated claim. Bullshit is still bullshit, the quantity doesn't change that.


Let me see, it is bullshit because you said so?
"

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. It's bullshit because it's directly contradicted by numerous, widely known facts about the GFC. And it's bullshit because you haven't provided a single source or shred of evidence to substantiate up your claim. Hell, you haven't even provided any reason to believe that the GFC would actually be EFFECTIVE in preventing spying.

So I guess we can also add "burden of proof" to the list of intellectual concepts that you fail to grasp.

"False equivalence, once again - you do realize that spying is not the same thing as censorship, right?


And you do realize that they are not mutually exclusive do you?
"

Stop riding my coattails, kid - get your own material.

USA has been doing censorship and spying since forever. You do not believe me right? So, what do you think are the so called "classified information" that is all over the place?


False equivalence combined with confirmation bias - find me a single country in the world that DOESN'T classify information.

And you're seriously trying to pretend that classifying sensitive information (for security purposes) is the same things as GFC-style censorship of politically-inconvenient information? People don't resort to such blatant intellectual-dishonesty if they any valid argument left - your de facto admission of defeat is noted.

Also, go and read history facts about human tragedies triggered by USA actions all around the globe. No that big difference to me between USA government elite and the their bad pals around the globe.


More unsubstantiated claims. I'd challenge you to provide examples, but we both know that you either don't have any - or you would just toss out some more red herrings that didn't actually have anything to do with your claims. But hey, anything to justify your irrational, knee-jerk hatred of the US, right?

And please, stop projecting your own sexual fantasies on others, keep them to yourself, there are some things that are better to maintain private. ;-)


An "I know you are, but what am I" flame, really? Tell you what, because I'm such a nice guy, I'll give you a do-over. Maybe you'll be able to come up with something a little less pathetic this time.

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RE[6]: Great Firewall of China
by acobar on Mon 17th Jun 2013 15:56 in reply to "RE[5]: Great Firewall of China"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. It's bullshit because it's directly contradicted by numerous, widely known facts about the GFC. And it's bullshit because you haven't provided a single source or shred of evidence to substantiate up your claim. Hell, you haven't even provided any reason to believe that the GFC would actually be EFFECTIVE in preventing spying.


This is really getting ridiculous. I did not say that China did it because they already knew about PRISM, you created this in your own obtuse mind, I said that one of the reasons they probably did it was because paranoid states try to act preventively and, as you probably know, one of the nice functionalities of firewalls is to protect against external threats, and PRISM is clearly one. I said also that many public figures of USA power complained about GFC and that they probably already knew about PRISM, this is well documented, just google for it, and this is the same as a neighbor that likes to walk on others flowers complain that putting a fence makes the neighborhood ugly. You are the one arguing that China did it ONLY to prevent their citizens to get information abroad. A big and narrow minded assumption if you ask me. So burden of proof applies very well to your case.

False equivalence combined with confirmation bias - find me a single country in the world that DOESN'T classify information.


Please! I never said that other countries do not do that, what I said, again, is that paranoid government are more inclined to do so and that they can even do it in ways that do not follow their own legal systems.

More unsubstantiated claims. I'd challenge you to provide examples, but we both know that you either don't have any - or you would just toss out some more red herrings that didn't actually have anything to do with your claims. But hey, anything to justify your irrational, knee-jerk hatred of the US, right?


I guess you only studied history on USA books. USA invaded Iraq on false premises or, even worst, already knowing that the claims were false. Where are the mass destruction weapons? All that after, some years before, they tried to undermine Iran giving weapons to Saddam Hussein to act as proxy. What about the innocent people killed on Afghanistan by the many and documented irresponsible actions? The military of many South American nations actively overthrew legitimate democratic chosen leaders with USA help. Killings, torture and other forms of human rights violations were abound on all that cases and USA elite power has their fingers dirt with blood because of these. Ignoring history is really one option.

Note also that I never said the American people should be accountable for the bad things. I visited many times the country and I really like the place and the many friends I have there, but sure enough many from the elite should be lawfully punished.

The rest of your arguments are all alike, just nonsense ramblings or full of assumptions about not said things.

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