Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Jun 2013 23:02 UTC, submitted by M.Onty
Games "Microsoft has sensationally abandoned its controversial plans to restrict the sharing of XBox One games, and has also removed daily online authentication requirements for its forthcoming console", reports The Guardian. They had no choice. Still a good move.
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Going to put this here
by lucas_maximus on Wed 19th Jun 2013 23:11 UTC
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?564985

It is a shit choice Thom. There was the chance the remove retail outlets out of the equation from what was (at the end of the day) software distribution.

Yeah there was the option of abuse. But I just purchased the last of us for £40 because I didn't have to walk down to the games shop that might not had had it and was the same price.

And you know what PS3 online wasn't working so I couldn't complete the installation of the game ... Sony are brilliant not ... and it is still my favourite console since the dreamcast.

Edited 2013-06-19 23:19 UTC

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RE: Going to put this here
by woegjiub on Wed 19th Jun 2013 23:44 in reply to "Going to put this here"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

You seem a reasonably astute individual; why complain about this, when steam is not changing its used games policy, and has controller and big screen support for most games?

You will be able to get more performance from a PC than the Xbone anyway, and it's not like you're missing out on any games except Halo and those stupid sports titles.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You seem a reasonably astute individual; why complain about this, when steam is not changing its used games policy, and has controller and big screen support for most games?

You will be able to get more performance from a PC than the Xbone anyway, and it's not like you're missing out on any games except Halo and those stupid sports titles.


Missing the point.

My point it that those that complain about the xbox 1 aren't complaining about steam which was a similar policy until recently.

My complaint is that it is okay for most people here as long as it isn't Microsoft doing it.

Edited 2013-06-19 23:53 UTC

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RE[2]: Going to put this here
by jonoden on Thu 20th Jun 2013 15:49 in reply to "RE: Going to put this here"
jonoden Member since:
2012-02-13

You did see that Steam is considering a "lend your game to a friend" policy right?

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RE: Going to put this here
by malxau on Wed 19th Jun 2013 23:56 in reply to "Going to put this here"
malxau Member since:
2005-12-04

It is a shit choice Thom. There was the chance the remove retail outlets out of the equation from what was (at the end of the day) software distribution.


The way I read the announcement was:
* Disc-based games will be available under the same terms as the 360
* An online store will also exist, and those games will be under fundamentally different terms to disc-based games

This means the customer gets to decide which business model to go with. The only open question is whether the online store will offer the same discounts that Steam does, essentially to compensate for having zero resale value or lending capability. If is does, the market can decide which distribution model is better. If it doesn't, then yes, we're stuck with an antiquated software distribution model.

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RE[2]: Going to put this here
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 20th Jun 2013 04:32 in reply to "RE: Going to put this here"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

This means the customer gets to decide which business model to go with.

Until, for whatever reason (either their own interest of power over their customers, incentive from Microsoft, whatever...), they start publishing more and more games as digital downloads only. Or, patch this DRM "feature" back in slowly, bit after bit, and hope their customers don't notice that by the time the next system has been released it has Xbox One's original "features"--which have been there, quietly put back in, all along.

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RE: Going to put this here
by Morgan on Thu 20th Jun 2013 03:07 in reply to "Going to put this here"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

bnolsen said this above:

With steam: don't install it and your computer will still work. steam doesn't own your computer. with xbone: don't plug it in and it's a doorstop. MS owns it, not you.


That's got to be the best, most concise and right-on-the-money description of this entire affair.


If I don't want Steam's crapware on my computer to play FTL, DDO, or countless other third party games, I don't have to install it. I can get those titles standalone from the publisher. The only thing I miss out on by passing up Steam is Valve-only titles.

With the Xbox, the only thing I'm missing out on, again, are Microsoft-only titles and the headaches of using a locked down platform.

In either case, I have choice in the matter. You try to make it sound like it's a crime to play games on anything but the Xbox, and a sin to complain about the DRM and other awful "features". The truth is, in both environments (PC gaming and console gaming) there are choices. In PC gaming there are countless choices: Steam, GoG.com, desura.com, and of course the game publishers themselves. In console gaming there are only three (arguably two) major players, but there is still choice. Why the hell do you feel that is a bad thing? You're being so damned antisocial about this, to the point of taking it as a personal affront that some person somewhere out there doesn't want an Xbox, and that borders on insanity.

So, try not to pop a vein while I go back to playing FTL that I bought from the developer's site, or maybe Minecraft that I got from Mojang, or even Torchlight that I got from GoG.com (free this week btw).

Edited 2013-06-20 03:08 UTC

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RE: Going to put this here
by ze_jerkface on Thu 20th Jun 2013 03:54 in reply to "Going to put this here"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

It is a shit choice Thom. There was the chance the remove retail outlets out of the equation from what was (at the end of the day) software distribution.


No the shit choice is creating a product that inspires anger in the majority of your potential customers.

They made a smart choice to remove the controversial changes. Pre-order stats and polls showing which console was highly favored were not a mystery to anyone. Digging in for a quick loss before the next gen even started would be stupid.

It's a business decision.

Deal with it.

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RE[2]: Going to put this here
by cdude on Thu 20th Jun 2013 12:23 in reply to "RE: Going to put this here"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Exactly. Consumers decided and Microsoft had to adjust or fail. Plain simple.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2013/06/17/amazon_takes_d...

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RE: Going to put this here
by Soulbender on Thu 20th Jun 2013 04:55 in reply to "Going to put this here"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Because I didn't have to walk down to the games shop


Look at it this way, you'll get some healthy exercise.

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RE[2]: Going to put this here
by darknexus on Thu 20th Jun 2013 07:03 in reply to "RE: Going to put this here"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Look at it this way, you'll get some healthy exercise.

Yeah, and some of them sure could use it. Come to think of it, having to get out some might even teach the really antisocial ones the purpose of a shower. The use of water to clean one's body has escaped the understanding of some gamers lately.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I cycle to work.

Trite answers are trite.

The whole point is convenience ... if I want to buy a game I have to go to town which basically is longer than my lunch break and everything shuts after I finish work.

I pay for the convenience of not having to rush the 1 hour of my day where I can eat and chat.

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RE: Going to put this here
by bassbeast on Thu 20th Jun 2013 11:27 in reply to "Going to put this here"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Dude, normally I agree with you but I gotta throw a flag, bullshit on the field. You see you are making the classic mistake of thinking "They do X because they have Y" but you are wrong and here is why: The PC HAS COMPETITION from not only literally thousands of 100% FTP games but something like a half a dozen major sites and probably 2 dozen minor ones that are ALL trying to get customers.

Now compare this to MSFT, a company that charges you for fricking multiplayer. Do you REALLY believe they would LOWER prices, really? Especially when the sacred cow that was Windows is bleeding out thanks to Ballmer pushing the abortion that is Metro AND they can't give away the Surface nor WinRT, do you REALLY think they are gonna suddenly DROP prices?

I'm sorry but you are wrong and we have proof...XBL. We haven't seen massive price drops when it comes to XBL and AFAIK there isn't ANYBODY pirating XBL, oh and for a second example the windows appstore which is on average a good 30% HIGHER than the Apple appstore, even though by the time windows gets the apps they are fricking OLD dude!

So I'm sorry but you are wrong. MSFT has NEVER been about lowering prices, I mean for God's sake Win 8 is a bigger bomb than WinME and they want $120! for the stupid thing, you think they are gonna take LESS money and pass it on to the consumer? Really? if the publishers lowered the price MSFT would just pocket the diff dude, you can bet on it.

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