Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Jun 2013 18:29 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless So, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Microsoft was very close to take over Nokia, but that the talks eventually broke down, probably beyond repair - at least for now. The reasons the talks broke down illustrate something that I have repeatedly tried to make clear for a long time now: Nokia isn't doing well.
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RE[5]: Go ahead and short
by przemo_li on Fri 21st Jun 2013 08:00 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Go ahead and short"
przemo_li
Member since:
2010-06-01

Man.

MeeGo N9 GOT AWARDS FOR DESIGN OVER ***IPHONE***

Yes, professionals gave it better ratings than they gave to Apple product.

German press advised their german readers to go shopping to SWITZERLAND because Nokia refused to sell N9 in Germany.

That is success. And of course you WONT find any info about how N9 sold in Nokia info releases. But you will easily find Nokia CEO statements about NOT CONTINUING WITH N9 AND MEEGO **EVEN IF** ITS SUCCESSFUL.

Oh and MeeGo would run some of Symbian Apps, it would be big differentiation for Nokia, and Symbian partners would be able to jump in...

WinP was clean break.


Its impossible that WinP could outperform MeeGo in short term. Its just not possible. (And Nokia did not shared any info which by itself is indicative..)

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RE[6]: Go ahead and short
by hhas on Fri 21st Jun 2013 23:27 in reply to "RE[5]: Go ahead and short"
hhas Member since:
2006-11-28

That is success.


No it isn't. Success = healthy revenue from current unit sales + growing market share. Rave reviews are useful to have, but only inasmuch as they translate into actual sales. In the end the only metric that actually matters is bums on seats putting money in the bank.

Many great technologies have been bested by inferior alternatives simply because the latter were better than the former at marketing themselves. Just ask the Lispers, or the Burroughs folks, or the original MacOS, and so on.

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RE[7]: Go ahead and short
by tonny on Sat 22nd Jun 2013 16:21 in reply to "RE[6]: Go ahead and short"
tonny Member since:
2011-12-22

I think we can have the number now, if only they didn't terminate the N9 (which I think, is a success, than first-tier released winphone).

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RE[6]: Go ahead and short
by jeffb on Sat 22nd Jun 2013 13:55 in reply to "RE[5]: Go ahead and short"
jeffb Member since:
2005-07-19

MeeGo N9 GOT AWARDS FOR DESIGN OVER ***IPHONE***
Yes, professionals gave it better ratings than they gave to Apple product.
...
That is success. And of course you WONT find any info about how N9 sold in Nokia info releases. But you will easily find Nokia CEO statements about NOT CONTINUING WITH N9 AND MEEGO **EVEN IF** ITS SUCCESSFUL.

Its impossible that WinP could outperform MeeGo in short term. Its just not possible. (And Nokia did not shared any info which by itself is indicative..)


Well first off the N9 MeeGo design went through once it was terminal project. There would have been much more passionate internal battles if MeeGo was still having to fulfill irreconcilable promises. But let's ignore that.

So what? It won a design award. Yippee. There are 4 MeeGo based phones in the pipeline between 2011 and 2014. 4. Basically one a year. Assume they all win design awards. So what? How much do you think a design award is worth? $5m, $10m. Let's say $100m since they all win one that's $400m, or about 2 months of the subsidies that came from Microsoft and carriers, that is to say less money than the subsidies on the 720.

MeeGo was a disastrous mess of contradictory objectives and unfilled promises being developed at a snail's pace. Elop and the board killed it because he had no choice. He is not insane or stupid. Nokia's senior management failed to come to consensus on design issues in time and failed to allocate needed resources in time. By the time Elop got there MeeGo was a mess that Nokia didn't have enough money to save.

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RE[7]: Go ahead and short
by zima on Thu 27th Jun 2013 20:13 in reply to "RE[6]: Go ahead and short"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

MeeGo was a disastrous mess of contradictory objectives and unfilled promises being developed at a snail's pace. Elop and the board killed it because he had no choice. He is not insane or stupid. Nokia's senior management failed to come to consensus on design issues in time and failed to allocate needed resources in time. By the time Elop got there MeeGo was a mess that Nokia didn't have enough money to save.

Furthermore, the result was far worse than MeeGo fans like to pretend... (for example, the conclusion in http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n9-2-en.shtml )

Symbian also a mess - 3 years ago or so its yearly costs were higher than the ENTIRE r&d of Apple; with meagre results.

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RE[6]: Go ahead and short
by zima on Thu 27th Jun 2013 20:20 in reply to "RE[5]: Go ahead and short"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

And of course you WONT find any info about how N9 sold in Nokia info releases.

Shows how little you follow Nokia - they were never quick to share this info, about any of their handsets. And Meego on N9 was dreadful (for example, the conclusion in http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n9-2-en.shtml )

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