Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Jun 2013 18:29 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless So, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Microsoft was very close to take over Nokia, but that the talks eventually broke down, probably beyond repair - at least for now. The reasons the talks broke down illustrate something that I have repeatedly tried to make clear for a long time now: Nokia isn't doing well.
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RE[6]: Go ahead and short
by cdude on Sat 22nd Jun 2013 14:10 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Go ahead and short"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

Symbian phones weren't making much margin and sales had been falling for 3 quarters


No, it did grow.
http://www.asymco.com/2013/01/10/getting-to-know-the-meaning-of-sis...

Remember that the new Symbian^3 generation made its appearance with the N8 in Q4/2010. Anna, Belle, 808 PureView came all after Elop's burning started.

Elop ... bought himself a transition that say compared to RIM's BBOS to QNX transition took 11 months less


Its just that that "transition" completely failed except the plan was from the beginning transition Nokia customers to Apple and Samsung. Was it?

Nokia is not the CIA. He couldn't have killed off MeeGo as quickly as he did in secret.


The only reason why N9 came to market where contractual bindings with Intel. Elop still did his best in declaring the N9 dead before arrival, no matter how it would perform, in not delivering to any major markets, no marketing, no support.

Those 11 months were key to how Nokia passed RIM in sales


Nokia did not passed RIM. Q1/2013:
http://phandroid.com/2013/05/14/gartner-q1-2013/

Edited 2013-06-22 14:14 UTC

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RE[7]: Go ahead and short
by jeffb on Sat 22nd Jun 2013 19:40 in reply to "RE[6]: Go ahead and short"
jeffb Member since:
2005-07-19

"Symbian phones weren't making much margin and sales had been falling for 3 quarters


No, it did grow.
http://www.asymco.com/2013/01/10/getting-to-know-the-meaning-of-sis...
"

How does that graph show what you want? It has 1Q2011 way below 4Q2010. And that's raw numbers. The smartphone market was growing rapidly so if you look at marketshare the falloff is earlier: http://dominiescommunicate.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/android_bypa...

"Elop ... bought himself a transition that say compared to RIM's BBOS to QNX transition took 11 months less

Its just that that "transition" completely failed except the plan was from the beginning transition Nokia customers to Apple and Samsung. Was it?
"

The plan was to transition Nokia over from a maker of Symbian phones to a maker of Asha at the low end and Windows Phones at the high end. That didn't fail. it happened. Nokia's customers are still mostly dumb phone customers and they still are dumb phone customers mostly. Certainly they have had tremendous erosion of Symbian customers but their products were comparatively terrible. That problem predates Elop.


"Nokia is not the CIA. He couldn't have killed off MeeGo as quickly as he did in secret.


The only reason why N9 came to market where contractual bindings with Intel. Elop still did his best in declaring the N9 dead before arrival, no matter how it would perform, in not delivering to any major markets, no marketing, no support.
"

Yes, it was a dead product. A cool niche phone by the time it was released.

"Those 11 months were key to how Nokia passed RIM in sales


Nokia did not passed RIM. Q1/2013:
http://phandroid.com/2013/05/14/gartner-q1-2013/
"

IDC and Kanter have closer to 7m. That number seems low but I'd agree that Gartner is a reasonable source and that based Gartner's numbers Nokia did worse.

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RE[8]: Go ahead and short
by zima on Thu 27th Jun 2013 20:01 in reply to "RE[7]: Go ahead and short"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Don't bother with him, cdude lives in his own bubble where Nokia before Elop the saboteur was doing only great, and now it's doing only bad.

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