Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Jun 2013 19:08 UTC
Legal "Britain's spy agency GCHQ has secretly gained access to the network of cables which carry the world's phone calls and internet traffic and has started to process vast streams of sensitive personal information which it is sharing with its American partner, the National Security Agency. The sheer scale of the agency's ambition is reflected in the titles of its two principal components: Mastering the Internet and Global Telecoms Exploitation, aimed at scooping up as much online and telephone traffic as possible. This is all being carried out without any form of public acknowledgement or debate." Woah.
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AndyB
Member since:
2013-03-22

Which is just the point I was trying to make earlier! The whole point of this is to catch terrorists, extremists and the like, not some random guy selling dodgy DVD's.

There is a factor of information overload though, the more data is gathered, the more likely things will be overlooked due to the sheer volume of the data haul. It's much more likely that targeted data collection will be analyzed closely, rather than trawling through it all in the hope something of interest comes up.

At the end of the day if you have nothing to hide then I really do not see the problem! It sure beats living in a country where you fear for your life every day because the real loonies are never caught!

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fossil Member since:
2009-05-29

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At the end of the day if you have nothing to hide then I really do not see the problem! It sure beats living in a country where you fear for your life every day because the real loonies are never caught!


I youu have nothing to hide you shouldn't have curtains at your home?

If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't mind remotely controlled cameras and microphones in every room at home and at work, yes?

If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't mid the instrumentality of a police state being set up?

Being over 60, I'm glad I won't live long enough to see the world you seem willing to accept.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

At the end of the day if you have nothing to hide then I really do not see the problem!


The problem lies in the fact that every year more and more formerly innocuous acts become criminalized. Soon we'll reach the point where the average person's daily routine causes them to commit multiple misdemeanors and local ordinance violations. Combined with the fact that nearly everything we do, say, and type is being logged, you end up with a situation where extreme leverage can be placed on anyone at the government's whim.

There is also a push in the US law enforcement arena to attempt to charge a suspect with obstruction for exercising their Constitutional right to not self-incriminate.

It's getting quite a bit scary out there.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Which is just the point I was trying to make earlier! The whole point of this is to catch terrorists, extremists and the like, not some random guy selling dodgy DVD's.


Electronic surveillance didn't stop 9/11 or the recent Boston bombing. The data was simply overlooked.

Effective counter-terrorism requires intelligence agencies to infiltrate the terror networks at the highest levels. Britain effectively destroyed the IRA over decades by gradually inserting their agents into the IRA hierarchy. Eventually the No2 IRA commander was a British agent supplying a constant stream of intelligence to the authorities.

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benytocamela Member since:
2013-05-16


At the end of the day if you have nothing to hide then I really do not see the problem!



in the name of consistency would you kindly disclose the details of your banking accounts please?

Edited 2013-06-24 23:33 UTC

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