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RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez
by Nelson on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 20:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Wafflez"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Its been my experience as well that a lot of Android users are there primarily because of cost, and that a good chunk of them aspire to own iOS devices.

I think its great that some people here like Android for its ideals. Open, free, yada, yada. However I don't think that sentiment is necessarily universal, or a significant driving factor in its adoption.

I've never heard a lay person say they love Android because its Linux, or because it has an SD Card, or a task manager, or can run an HTTP server or whatever.

People use Android because its flexible, cheap, and available. There's very little brand loyalty there (save for the Samsungistas)

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by Fergy on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

I've never heard a lay person say they love Android because its Linux, or because it has an SD Card, or a task manager, or can run an HTTP server or whatever.

I have never heard anyone say they use Android because it uses Linux.
People use Android because its flexible, cheap, and available. There's very little brand loyalty there (save for the Samsungistas)

I agree, it is very similar to Windows.

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RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez
by Nelson on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Agreed. Android is the Windows model successfully applied to mobile phones. It is in many ways the spiritual successor to Windows Mobile.

I feel like it will also have Windows type problems, and you're already seeing some of them manifest. The perception that Android carries a lot of malware is one that Windows had to fight as well.

Another is preinstalled crapware and idiotic OEMs to deal with. Some times openness comes back to bite you when it comes to quality.

Performance takes a nose dive and it is unfairly attributed to Google or Android as a whole at times -- another Microsoft type of problem.

Google isn't stupid though, and they have the advantage of hindsight in all of this. These aren't really bad problems to have, growing pains are better than hunger pains I suppose. Either way, I expect them to carefully navigate these waters as Android matures as a platform and gains a critical mass.

I don't think it will necessarily trip them up, they just need to make Android more attractive as a premium brand. Holo, Project Butter, and Google's excellent showing at I/O for developers will help here.

Edited 2013-06-23 21:13 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, now you have. I do use android because it uses linux, as well as other reasons.

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by No it isnt on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:27 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Very little brand loyalty? You seriously want to pretend the Android fanbois don't exist?

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RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez
by Nelson on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:37 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Very little brand loyalty? You seriously want to pretend the Android fanbois don't exist?


Fanboyism and loyalty are not one in the same, whereas fanboyism is rationalization and justification, loyalty manifests itself in retention statistics.

How many new Android subscribers came from iOS? How many people who bought an iPhone 5 owned an iPhone prior? How many people who bought an iPhone 5 converted from Android?

These are the relevant stats, not a vocal minority of rabid fanboys.

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RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez
by Wafflez on Mon 24th Jun 2013 10:39 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

Same as with Linux fanboys - small minority, but a vocal one.

Plus people are thick and they want to defend their cheap Android phones to make themselves believe that "oh yes I bought a good phone".

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by gan17 on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 22:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

Its been my experience as well that a lot of Android users are there primarily because of cost, and that a good chunk of them aspire to own iOS devices.

Only half-true. Yes, some people would like to own an iDevice but can't afford them. On the other hand, there a people who simply want a smartphone, even though they still only make calls and messages (along with maybe facebook and twitter or whatever). It'd be the same use case scenario whether they were on iOS or Android. They don't have much use for everything smartphones offer, so there's no point in spending more. I'd wager this "get shit done and move on to real life" demographic is bigger than the "would own an iPhone if I could afford it" one.


I've never heard a lay person say they love Android because its Linux, or because it has an SD Card, or a task manager, or can run an HTTP server or whatever.

Can't speak for all lay people, but this lay person thinks Android is about as Linux-y as his microwave oven; it's only the kernel they share. On top of the kernel, they couldn't be more different, and thankfully so, imho. Having fairly secure, lean Linux distributions mentioned in the same sentence as Android is already insulting enough.


People use Android because its flexible, cheap, and available. There's very little brand loyalty there (save for the Samsungistas)

and Samsungistas listen to cheesy K-pop, which is even worse than Bieber.

Edited 2013-06-23 22:26 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by nej_simon on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 22:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
nej_simon Member since:
2011-02-11

Its been my experience as well that a lot of Android users are there primarily because of cost, and that a good chunk of them aspire to own iOS devices.


That's purely anecdotal.

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RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez
by Nelson on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 22:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Really, which part tipped you off, the part where I said it was my experience?

Are you going to call my opinions subjective too?

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by Soulbender on Mon 24th Jun 2013 04:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

People use Android because its flexible, cheap, and available


In other words, all the right reasons.

There's very little brand loyalty there


Maybe they're smart enough not to be loyal to a brand and a company who really don't give a shit about them...

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by phoudoin on Mon 24th Jun 2013 09:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

I've never heard a lay person say they love Android because its Linux, or because it has an SD Card, or a task manager, or can run an HTTP server or whatever.


I've heard a lot of Android owners saying they love it because it has an USB port, can be charged from whatever USB powered port and can act as an USB mass storage under whatever operating system without having to install some bloated software first, if it's even available for this operating system.

People use Android because its flexible, cheap, and available. There's very little brand loyalty there (save for the Samsungistas)


And?
Since when hardware plateform rules over software plateform!?

The ecosystem which matter is the features one, most of them being software ones, not some unique hardware ones.

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by Laurence on Mon 24th Jun 2013 09:27 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


People use Android because its flexible, cheap, and available. There's very little brand loyalty there

Good. Because brand loyalty is dumb. I'd rather see more platform agnostic users push Google and the OEMs into continually improving Android on price and features than have hoards of fanboys loyally buying Android because they're too narrow-minded to try anything else.

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by tkeith on Mon 24th Jun 2013 13:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
tkeith Member since:
2010-09-01

The "people buy Android because it is cheap" argument has 0 weight in the US. With our 2 year agreements, all phones cost about the same. You can get an Iphone 4 on Verizon for free right now with a 2 year agreement. Top of the line phones are $200, the iphone 5 is the same price as a S4 or RZR MAXX. Yet they still sell lots of Android devices. There may be some people that buy phone because their cheap, but a lot of the time they buy iphones. I know plenty of people that bought 3GS's when the 4S was out because it was free.

People buy Apple phones for lots of reasons, and people buy Android phones for lots of, presumably different, reasons. Trying to pigeon hole them into stereotypes just doesn't work.

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RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez
by Lurking_Grue on Mon 24th Jun 2013 16:24 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez"
Lurking_Grue Member since:
2013-03-15

> Its been my experience as well that a lot of Android users are there primarily because of cost, and that a good chunk of them aspire to own iOS devices.

That isn't exactly true, people have access to iOs devices even used ones at comparable prices to android.

I don't use apple devices out of choice and prefer more open systems but I know my choices is not the mainstream reasons.

I think many people just don't care.

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