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Apple "Apple's new iOS 7, which the company unveiled last week at its Worldwide Developer Conference, says a lot about the future of mobile devices because Apple owns the future of mobile devices." If you're an Apple fanatic, you're going to love this article. If you're not an Apple fanatic, you'll be shaking your head in disbelief that the once great AppleInsider runs stuff like this these days. Hey, there's always MacRumors - the last great bastion of proper Apple rumour reporting.
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RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez
by Nelson on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:37 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Wafflez"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Very little brand loyalty? You seriously want to pretend the Android fanbois don't exist?


Fanboyism and loyalty are not one in the same, whereas fanboyism is rationalization and justification, loyalty manifests itself in retention statistics.

How many new Android subscribers came from iOS? How many people who bought an iPhone 5 owned an iPhone prior? How many people who bought an iPhone 5 converted from Android?

These are the relevant stats, not a vocal minority of rabid fanboys.

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RE[7]: Comment by Wafflez
by No it isnt on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

And since Android still is growing, you already know the answer. Of course, as a hobbyist Android-hater, you don't like it.

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RE[8]: Comment by Wafflez
by Nelson on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 22:12 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Wafflez"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

And since Android still is growing, you already know the answer. Of course, as a hobbyist Android-hater, you don't like it.


Android can be growing without there being much brand loyalty, if the growth is derived from an expanding market. However, as people churn through their contractual agreements with their carriers, Android users pivoting to iOS and Windows Phone presents a problem.

This is a medium to long term problem, but it is a problem. That's not to say that Google can't (or isn't already) improve Android to make it more desirable.

Likely if every Android experience consumers had was with a Nexus device running a vanilla Android experience then perhaps things would be different. Its not however, so Android's lack of brand loyalty would have little to do with the relative success of Samsung (which I assume is why my comments offended you).

I'm sure if everyone held and used a Galaxy S 4 then there'd obviously be some real good retention stats for Android, but not everyone does. The vast majority of Android devices are cheap pieces of garbage.

What's going to happen when the people who got pushed into these contracts by sales reps have to renew? The landscape in 2013 is more competitive than in 2010 or 2011.

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RE[7]: Comment by Wafflez
by WorknMan on Sun 23rd Jun 2013 21:57 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Wafflez"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

How many new Android subscribers came from iOS? How many people who bought an iPhone 5 owned an iPhone prior? How many people who bought an iPhone 5 converted from Android?

These are the relevant stats, not a vocal minority of rabid fanboys.


Unfortunately for Android, it is like a Windows PC... the kind of experience you have usually is determined by the kind of device you get. And since a lot of people go out to buy the absolute cheapest piece of crap device they can find, it's no wonder that so many of them yearn for an iPhone/iPad. And it doesn't help that 98% of Android tablets on the market are complete shit either.

But if the hardware is good and the vendor bloatware is minimal, iOS doesn't hold a candle to Android. For example, if you've ever used stock Android on a Nexus 4, it is as 'smooth' as iOS ever was. iOS7 looks impressive because they've finally gotten some features that Android has had for years, but it still hasn't caught up quite yet, and there have only been two minor updates to Android since October of 2011.

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RE[8]: Comment by Wafflez
by r_a_trip on Mon 24th Jun 2013 08:18 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Wafflez"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, but these kind of users are dumbf*cks. You simply can't compare a sub $200 device with a plus $500 device. It doesn't matter if you get a plus $500 Android phone or iPhone, both will slap the sub $200 device silly.

The reason that all iPhones perform so well, is that there are no sub $200 devices and there is only one manufacturer. The absolute strongest point of the iPhone.

Google would do well to get some sort of logo program that signifies to consumers that a device runs well and use that to introduce some minimum specs for OEM's into the Android space.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No, those are not relavant statistics. The relevant ones are market share growth over time. As microsoft proved, its not how much people *LOVE* their computer, its how useful it is to them. If it was, then this computer I'm typing on would be an amiga.

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