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Linux I volunteer as tech support for a small organization. For years we relied on Ubuntu on our desktops, but the users didn't like it when Ubuntu switched to the Unity interface. This article tells about our search for a replacement and why we decided on Xfce running atop Linux Mint.
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Partition lock-down
by Kochise on Mon 24th Jun 2013 07:09 UTC
Kochise
Member since:
2006-03-03

I also tried to replace my aging Ubuntu 9.09 development box with Mint 13 (and also found Xcfe being the best distro for my Atom 330 board) but... while installing, partitioning the HD for a system part, a swap part and a data part, the data part was unaccessible after install :

"You don't have the permission to access this part"

Come on guy, I'm the installer of this machine, I have root permission and I cannot access the data part of my local hard disk ? And you call this "security" ?

Wiped off Linux Mint, re installed Windows 2000 Pro SP4 with all the remaining patches, not a single problem ever since.

KISS !

Kochise

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RE: Partition lock-down
by Laurence on Mon 24th Jun 2013 08:30 in reply to "Partition lock-down"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I also tried to replace my aging Ubuntu 9.09 development box with Mint 13 (and also found Xcfe being the best distro for my Atom 330 board) but... while installing, partitioning the HD for a system part, a swap part and a data part, the data part was unaccessible after install :

"You don't have the permission to access this part"

Come on guy, I'm the installer of this machine, I have root permission and I cannot access the data part of my local hard disk ? And you call this "security" ?

Wiped off Linux Mint, re installed Windows 2000 Pro SP4 with all the remaining patches, not a single problem ever since.

KISS !

Kochise


Actually it is security. We all know the chequered past Windows has had by letting everyone run everything as Administrator. And since we're talking about Linux post-install, there's absolutely no reason why you should be running as root any longer.

However by the sounds of it, the fact that you had installed and rebooted into Mint, and the fact that you only had one "data" partition, would mean that your user profiles were stored on that and loaded. Which means you do have permissions access to that disk. What it sounds like to me is that you were trying to access system areas of that partition which are secured against user access - and that's an absolute must for security (in fact, Windows now does this as well!)

It interesting to hear that you're still using Windows 2000 though. That's a fantastic OS in my opinion (in fact it's the only release of Windows that I've genuinely loved). But Windows 2000 isn't secure by default (the default user is administrator, telnet is enabled by default, etc). Granted all these things are easily fixable, but my point is that you're applying an old and insecure Windows paradigm (lets be honest, Windows security has come along way since Win2k) to Linux and then bitching when a different OS behaves differently. The fault here is entirely with you.

In fact this is one of the biggest causes of Linux FUD. For some reason, when Windows users switch to OS X, they expect OS X to behave differently and are ready to learn how to use their new OS. But when many Windows users install Linux for the 1st time, for some reason they expect Linux to behave like a drop in replacement for Windows - which is completely unreasonable and leads to many of the daft complaints like the aforementioned.

Edited 2013-06-24 08:32 UTC

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RE[2]: Partition lock-down
by Kochise on Mon 24th Jun 2013 12:17 in reply to "RE: Partition lock-down"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Wasn't my first Linux install, had Ubuntu (from 7 to 10) without any problem and Fedora (which Anaconda's default behavior was to aggregate my ext3 partitions altogether, thus destroying my Ubuntu install and messing my MBR).

Tried Linux Mint 13, was pleased by the system, but was restrictive as hell :

The system partition (32 GB ext3) had the system installed on it, the swap partition (4 GB swap) and the data partition (200 GB fat32) had nothing on it, it was just purposed to store... guess it : data !

When I wanted to open/copy files on the DATA partition, Linux Mint shouted at me that I don't had enough privilege (as root !) to access it. And it's an offline ARM cross development PC.

I'm a geek though, but I do not expect to have to fine tune somewhere in the system the access to my DATA partition freshly formated of my newly installed system.

Security ? Paranoia !

The installation went pretty straightforward though, so imagine my frustration, and consider the newbie's, when you cannot use you locked down -"for security reasons"- computer.

It's Linux, the malwares and security holes aren't supposed to mirror Windows' ! So what's the point ?

If I quit Windows not to fight malwares and security holes anymore, it's not to find other flaws to chew on. If Linux cannot hide its "secutiry" behind the hood and had to put your nose into configurations files to "feel the power of the security by restrictive accesses" then I'm gonna quit immediately.

This is madness !

Kochise

Edited 2013-06-24 12:28 UTC

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RE[2]: Partition lock-down
by lucas_maximus on Wed 26th Jun 2013 19:11 in reply to "RE: Partition lock-down"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It interesting to hear that you're still using Windows 2000 though. That's a fantastic OS in my opinion (in fact it's the only release of Windows that I've genuinely loved). But Windows 2000 isn't secure by default (the default user is administrator, telnet is enabled by default, etc). Granted all these things are easily fixable, but my point is that you're applying an old and insecure Windows paradigm (lets be honest, Windows security has come along way since Win2k) to Linux and then bitching when a different OS behaves differently. The fault here is entirely with you.


Why is Windows 2000 is considered good? It was terrible until Service Pack 3, hardly anything worked on it and was completely redundant after XP came out which was miles better in comparison.

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RE: Partition lock-down
by Stephen! on Tue 25th Jun 2013 15:19 in reply to "Partition lock-down"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

Wiped off Linux Mint, re installed Windows 2000 Pro SP4 with all the remaining patches, not a single problem ever since.


But that is taking into account that Windows 2000 is around 14 years old. Since there's no longer any support from Microsoft, it's a "static" OS with no major new changes to break stuff.

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