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Linux I volunteer as tech support for a small organization. For years we relied on Ubuntu on our desktops, but the users didn't like it when Ubuntu switched to the Unity interface. This article tells about our search for a replacement and why we decided on Xfce running atop Linux Mint.
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RE: mate is better now.
by Laurence on Mon 24th Jun 2013 08:15 UTC in reply to "mate is better now."
Laurence
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2007-03-26

I know KDE gets a bit of a bad wrap on here, but these days it's pretty stable and I think it's another good alternative for users making the switch from Windows. Plus it also follows a similar desktop layout as Windows (excluding Win8 obviously) so users can draw a little more from past experience than they perhaps could with other Linux desktop environments.

That said, KDE4 does require a fair chunk of hardware. It's not one for the low end hardware and is easily one of the most bloated DEs on Linux (personally I make use of most of KDEs features, so it's not "bloat" to me - but I appreciate everybody's use cases are different)

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RE[2]: mate is better now.
by Morgan on Mon 24th Jun 2013 11:38 in reply to "RE: mate is better now."
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2005-06-29

That said, KDE4 does require a fair chunk of hardware. It's not one for the low end hardware and is easily one of the most bloated DEs on Linux (personally I make use of most of KDEs features, so it's not "bloat" to me - but I appreciate everybody's use cases are different)


I have a love/hate thing with KDE. I agree that the "bloat" is actually just a wealth of features and choices, but that's also its biggest problem. At one point there were three text editors (KEdit, KWrite, and Kate) and while each of them had some desirable features, none of them had a complete enough feature set to be truly useful as the only editor. Likewise, a KDE native office suite has been a moving target. It always seemed like a K-app would get so close to being feature complete only to be dropped and replaced with a new, featureless app that had to follow the same treadmill towards usefulness.

I'm hoping that razor-qt will become the lean, one-app-per-task DE that it promises to be. I still have a place in my heart for GTK apps, but the fragmentation thanks to Unity and Gnome3 means going all GTK is much more difficult than it should be.

Edited 2013-06-24 11:39 UTC

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RE[3]: mate is better now.
by Laurence on Mon 24th Jun 2013 11:54 in reply to "RE[2]: mate is better now."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


I have a love/hate thing with KDE. I agree that the "bloat" is actually just a wealth of features and choices, but that's also its biggest problem. At one point there were three text editors (KEdit, KWrite, and Kate) and while each of them had some desirable features, none of them had a complete enough feature set to be truly useful as the only editor.

Kwrite is basically just the KDE equivalent of Notepad.exe and Kate is more of an IDE with Kwrite at it's core. So from a developers perspective there is quite a difference there. But I can totally relate to the confusion as I only know this from spending hours of development time inside KDE.

As for Kedit, I only vaguely recall it and it's not bundled with KDE any longer. I wonder if it was an original name for Kwrite or Kate but legal issues forced a name change (I notice there is another piece of software named "Kedit" that's not related to KDE). I'm just speculating here though - you may well be right that the KDE devs decided to bundle 3 similar text editors.


Likewise, a KDE native office suite has been a moving target. It always seemed like a K-app would get so close to being feature complete only to be dropped and replaced with a new, featureless app that had to follow the same treadmill towards usefulness.

Yeah, I don't particularly rate KOffice myself. I don't agree with your remark in terms of the wider KDE suite. But it's certainly true of KOffice.


I'm hoping that razor-qt will become the lean, one-app-per-task DE that it promises to be. I still have a place in my heart for GTK apps, but the fragmentation thanks to Unity and Gnome3 means going all GTK is much more difficult than it should be.

I've not checked out Razor for a while. I really should give it another look. I think our opinions differ with regards to Qt vs GTK though - but then I guess the beauty of Linux (and perhaps it's biggest drawback too - in terms of fragmentation) is that you and I can have differing preferences and still run the same OS.

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RE[3]: mate is better now.
by tupp on Mon 24th Jun 2013 18:48 in reply to "RE[2]: mate is better now."
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

I have a love/hate thing with KDE. I agree that the "bloat" is actually just a wealth of features and choices, but that's also its biggest problem.

I'm hoping that razor-qt will become the lean, one-app-per-task DE that it promises to be.

Aptosid still has a KDE-lite package http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rika5DVALjY

Apparently, so does FreeBSD: http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/x11/kde-lite.html

The Klyde project for SUSE is promising: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/04/11/hackweek9-lightweight-kde-desktop-p...

Of course, KDE is open source, so there are many minimal KDE configuration possibilities discussed/recommended in many distro forums.

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RE[2]: mate is better now.
by bipbip on Mon 24th Jun 2013 17:07 in reply to "RE: mate is better now."
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2013-06-24

I think the same yet I recently found a serious project about an xfce-class lightweight fork of KDE that aims at being compatible with the full fledged version.
http://blogs.kde.org/2013/04/11/hackweek9-lightweight-kde-desktop-p...
http://susestudio.com/a/pRvzFf/minimal-klyde

I didn't test itbut it seems promising and very supported by the KDE community

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RE[3]: mate is better now.
by tupp on Mon 24th Jun 2013 22:55 in reply to "RE[2]: mate is better now."
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Saw your informative comment only after I posted similar info above.

Unfortunately, now I can't mod you up.

Edited 2013-06-24 22:56 UTC

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