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Linux I volunteer as tech support for a small organization. For years we relied on Ubuntu on our desktops, but the users didn't like it when Ubuntu switched to the Unity interface. This article tells about our search for a replacement and why we decided on Xfce running atop Linux Mint.
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RE[4]: mate is better now.
by Morgan on Mon 24th Jun 2013 14:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: mate is better now."
Morgan
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2005-06-29

Kedit is no longer part of KDE, though there was a time when all three were available at once, back in the 3.x days. Kedit was a casualty of the move to 4.x, and dropping it was an example (in my mind, highly appropriate) of the slow but steady push towards slimming KDE to something less than a dozen apps for one task.

Take the multimedia player landscape: Dragon Player, Kaffeine, KMPlayer, and KPlayer are all included in default installs. Each is a "multimedia player", so why four of them? In fact, Dragon Player's About page describes what KDE itself needs:

Dragon Player is a multimedia player where the focus is on simplicity, instead of features. Dragon Player does one thing, and only one thing, which is playing multimedia files. It's simple interface is designed not to get in your way and instead empower you to simply play multimedia files.

So, if Dragon Player is all we ever needed to play multimedia files, why three others?

I think a lot of the issues with KDE and its lack of consistency is due to just how large the project is. The 4.x release has steadily improved in a lot of ways, to the point that I actually do find KDE usable on a daily basis. However, there is still an overwhelming feeling of fragmentation and "project X doesn't know what project Y did so both are broken in this point release" kind of thing.

I think our opinions differ with regards to Qt vs GTK though - but then I guess the beauty of Linux (and perhaps it's biggest drawback too - in terms of fragmentation) is that you and I can have differing preferences and still run the same OS.


Actually I don't mind using both QT and GTK apps; from years of using Gnome and Xfce I do have an affinity for GTK apps but I also recognize that QT is a great toolkit in its own right, and has some great apps too (Amarok being one of my favorites). I also enjoy the fact that KDE is more graceful when handling GTK apps under Kwin than Xfce and Gnome are when handling QT apps. To borrow slang from a novel I'm reading, KDE is a lot more mesh than the others.

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RE[5]: mate is better now.
by Morty on Mon 24th Jun 2013 17:24 in reply to "RE[4]: mate is better now."
Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

Kedit is no longer part of KDE, though there was a time when all three were available at once, back in the 3.x days.

And it was for a very good reason, as KEdit had correct unicode support wich KWrite/Kate did not have at the time. Rather than not supporting some users need, the KDE developers kept KEdit fot those use cases.

Kedit was a casualty of the move to 4.x, and dropping it was an example ..... slimming

No, it was not. KEdit was simply dropped when KWrite/Kate gained the missing unicode functionality. As the plan was the whole time. The reason it corresponded with KDE 4, was the switch to Qt 4 wich delivered much of it for "free".

Take the multimedia player landscape: Dragon Player, Kaffeine, KMPlayer, and KPlayer are all included in default installs. Each is a "multimedia player", so why four of them?

Blame your distribution! KDE comes default with one multimediaplayer: Dragon Player. While the 3 others use KDE libraries they are not part of the default installation, the are simply 3rd party applications.

So, if Dragon Player is all we ever needed to play multimedia files, why three others?

For the same reasons you get several 3rd party browsers, mediaplyers etc on other platforms too. Like on Windows, it has both browser and mediaplayer, but you have several 3rd party alternatives for both.

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RE[6]: mate is better now.
by Morgan on Mon 24th Jun 2013 17:41 in reply to "RE[5]: mate is better now."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

And it was for a very good reason, as KEdit had correct unicode support wich KWrite/Kate did not have at the time. Rather than not supporting some users need, the KDE developers kept KEdit fot those use cases.
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No, it was not. KEdit was simply dropped when KWrite/Kate gained the missing unicode functionality. As the plan was the whole time. The reason it corresponded with KDE 4, was the switch to Qt 4 wich delivered much of it for "free".


Thanks for the clarification. Though, I still see them dropping it as slimming the compilation down a bit. I don't understand why reducing bloat is considered a bad thing.

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