Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jun 2013 16:41 UTC
Windows Microsoft has released the Windows 8.1 preview for download, but they region-locked it to 13 specific languages, and Dutch is not one of them. So, even though my Surface RT has been completely and utterly English from the day I bought it, I can't install Windows 8.1 and tell you something about it. Those of you who can download it, why don't you tell us what it's like - or you can head to The Verge who got early access. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a little annoyed that we're arbitrarily being left out once again.
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RE: Start Button Useless??
by drcouzelis on Wed 26th Jun 2013 18:26 UTC in reply to "Start Button Useless??"
drcouzelis
Member since:
2010-01-11

I don't use Windows, but that is what Microsoft said they were going to do. They "listened to the users" and added the Start Button, but there is no Start Menu. Clicking it just returns the user to the Windows 8 home screen.

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v RE[2]: Start Button Useless??
by lustyd on Wed 26th Jun 2013 18:35 in reply to "RE: Start Button Useless??"
RE[3]: Start Button Useless??
by WereCatf on Wed 26th Jun 2013 18:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Start Button Useless??"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

they are right about full screen being better.


That's an opinion, not a universal fact. And I do not agree with that opinion.

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RE[3]: Start Button Useless??
by M.Onty on Wed 26th Jun 2013 18:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Start Button Useless??"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

... They won't back down on the full screen start menu because they are right about full screen being better (and the reason they are right is because I think the same thing, ergo they are right).

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The thing the miffs me about those who don't like the new start screen, if you were using the start menu like it supposed to be used in Windows 8 (like a launcher and the menu as a backup).

The start menu works exactly the bloody same if you use it that way. I kinda use everything like google instant search ... so it doesn't matter much to me.

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No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

It's a bullshit reason for any screen over 10". I don't want a screen full of search results to search through, I just want the relevant ones, presented in a space that's easy for my eyes to scan. Spreading them out all over didn't work for Gnome 3, and it's just as shit in Windows.

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RE[3]: Start Button Useless??
by Morgan on Wed 26th Jun 2013 23:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Start Button Useless??"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

The whole point of it is more room for search results!


Not quite. The whole point is that Microsoft believes that touch is the future of general purpose computers. That day may come, but it's not today no matter how much they try to push it.

By completely forgetting about their corporate, government and small business customers, they are cutting off vital revenue streams moving forward. IT departments are already notoriously timid about change, and though Windows 7 is a stellar OS its adoption is only recently gaining ground.

At my part time job this month, nearly four years after its release, I've finally been able to move all but one of our machines to Windows 7. That lone machine stays on XP because one of our software vendors requires it. Once that hurdle is passed, we'll be Windows 7 across the board...probably just in time to enter the extended support lifecycle.

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RE[2]: Start Button Useless??
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 26th Jun 2013 21:30 in reply to "RE: Start Button Useless??"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

It's a button, yeah, but I would hardly call it a "Start button" when it doesn't even bring up the expected "Start menu." And except on phones, tablets and other small touchscreen-based systems, the "Start screen" is no replacement for a traditional mouse-driven menu on larger, high-resolution screens.

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RE[3]: Start Button Useless??
by Nelson on Thu 27th Jun 2013 00:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Start Button Useless??"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

For doing a system-wide search for a specific app, there's a Search Pane which does *not* take up the entire screen.

For viewing an entire list of apps, there's a full screen overlay that you can filter in various ways (actually, in more ways than you could the traditional Start Menu)

They've taken the Start Menu's function and split it across two experiences. When you're searching you likely want to keep context with whatever you're currently doing.

When you're choosing an app from a list of apps on the system, the goal is to show all of your apps and context isn't as important.

You're searching for something you don't know you want yet, so the screen real estate is dedicated to that end.

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RE[2]: Start Button Useless??
by Bobthearch on Thu 27th Jun 2013 03:27 in reply to "RE: Start Button Useless??"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

I don't use Windows, but that is what Microsoft said they were going to do. They "listened to the users" and added the Start Button, but there is no Start Menu. Clicking it just returns the user to the Windows 8 home screen.


According to this CNN article, "...many Windows users were upset about radical departure from the typical Windows interface, especially the lack of a Start button. The button is back, and now it leads to a list of all your applications."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/tech/gaming-gadgets/microsoft-keynote...

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RE[3]: Start Button Useless??
by Fergy on Thu 27th Jun 2013 06:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Start Button Useless??"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

According to this CNN article, "...many Windows users were upset about radical departure from the typical Windows interface, especially the lack of a Start button. The button is back, and now it leads to a list of all your applications."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/tech/gaming-gadgets/microsoft-keynote...

We know what Microsoft thinks and you don't have to link to a press release from Microsoft.

Did you have anything to add to this conversation or do you like to be Captain Obvious?

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