Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jun 2013 16:41 UTC
Windows Microsoft has released the Windows 8.1 preview for download, but they region-locked it to 13 specific languages, and Dutch is not one of them. So, even though my Surface RT has been completely and utterly English from the day I bought it, I can't install Windows 8.1 and tell you something about it. Those of you who can download it, why don't you tell us what it's like - or you can head to The Verge who got early access. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a little annoyed that we're arbitrarily being left out once again.
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RE[5]: Start Button Useless??
by WereCatf on Wed 26th Jun 2013 19:01 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Start Button Useless??"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

What is it that you use the rest of the screen for after clicking start other than search or start menu links?


To see the rest of the screen, obviously.

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v RE[6]: Start Button Useless??
by lustyd on Wed 26th Jun 2013 19:41 in reply to "RE[5]: Start Button Useless??"
RE[7]: Start Button Useless??
by galvanash on Thu 27th Jun 2013 21:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Start Button Useless??"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

No, it's not obvious at all. If you want to see the screen don't press start.


We are talking about an operating system called Windows and you arguing that we should all just pretend it ain't so and be happy about being forced to work with a fullscreen modal interface from 1985.

Again, I don't have a tablet on top of my desk... Modal interfaces have there place, but it isn't everywhere. I did not buy a 1440p monitor so I could only look at one thing at a time...

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RE[6]: Start Button Useless??
by Nelson on Thu 27th Jun 2013 11:25 in reply to "RE[5]: Start Button Useless??"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I realize its your preference, but wouldn't you rather be able to see more results on screen?

You can also pin the actual folder that the "All Programs" reside in from the Start Menu directly to your Taskbar. Then getting a traditional view of your Start Menu's apps is a tap away.

I think that these are very niche scenarios (as Microsoft's usage stats indicate) but nonetheless, anyone who wants to certainly can retain a lot of the old functionality.

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RE[7]: Start Button Useless??
by WereCatf on Thu 27th Jun 2013 11:56 in reply to "RE[6]: Start Button Useless??"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I realize its your preference, but wouldn't you rather be able to see more results on screen?


Considering the fact that the tiles consume enormous amounts of space I don't really think it would be more results. And as I've explained before in the past, I find it horribly jarring that the Start Screen takes over the whole display, completely removing me from whatever it was that I was doing; depending on my mood and the day such a jarring transition can completely kill my productivity.

Also, about the tiles: they do not provide me with any information that I would find worth it. I launch the applications themselves if I want to see something and thus the tiles just do not offer me anything that regular old icons don't, except that they take more space on the screen.

This is all in addition to the fact that I do not use any Metro-apps except for Netflix.

Simply put, I do not like Start Screen. I could get my stuff done with it, but as long as I have a choice I choose to avoid it because the old method suits my style and needs better.

You can also pin the actual folder that the "All Programs" reside in from the Start Menu directly to your Taskbar. Then getting a traditional view of your Start Menu's apps is a tap away.


I don't think that would work for shortcuts that reside in the system-wide folder, it would probably only show shortcuts specific to the user. Alas, I don't need to try that, anyways, as I am running Start8 on my laptop.

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RE[7]: Start Button Useless??
by phoenix on Thu 27th Jun 2013 15:48 in reply to "RE[6]: Start Button Useless??"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I realize its your preference, but wouldn't you rather be able to see more results on screen?


Which shows more on a 20" screen:
- 2"x2" tiles per application (or even 0.5"x0.5"), or
- 12 pt font in an organised list

Even if the start menu only takes up about 3" of horizontal space, you get a lot more text onscreen than using huge graphical tiles. Especially when there's full-colour icons next to each text entry in the start menu to help differentiate entries, while there's only 2-toned (usually just white) icons inside the tiles.

On a small device like a phone or a tablet where you use your fat fingers as pointing devices, the tiled start screen with large touch targets makes sense.

On a large device like a 15" or larger screen, where you have to move your mouse completely across your mouse pad to move across the screen, the tiled start screen is stupid. At least with a start menu, you can see and focus on the entire thing without moving your eyes, and you can reach anything in the menu with just a tiny movement of the mouse.

You can also pin the actual folder that the "All Programs" reside in from the Start Menu directly to your Taskbar. Then getting a traditional view of your Start Menu's apps is a tap away.


Which makes you wonder, why even bother with creating the start screen in the first place?

I think that these are very niche scenarios (as Microsoft's usage stats


Self-selected stats by those too ignorant to disable it are useless.

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