Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Jul 2013 23:07 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "Mozilla today announced that the regional launches of Firefox OS smartphones will begin soon. Deutsche Telekom and Telefonica will release the first Firefox OS devices, the ALCATEL ONE TOUCH Fire and the ZTE Open, soon. Individual partners will announce specifics about launches in each market soon." Lots of soons in there.
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RE: I wonder...
by moondevil on Tue 2nd Jul 2013 08:29 UTC in reply to "I wonder..."
moondevil
Member since:
2005-07-08

Personally, I care only for devices that offer native applications, as such I don't have big expectations for browser only OSs.

All mobile OS already offer mobile browsers, so if you want me to switch OS, the user experience has to be worthwhile.

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RE[2]: I wonder...
by Nelson on Tue 2nd Jul 2013 11:26 in reply to "RE: I wonder..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Personally, I care only for devices that offer native applications, as such I don't have big expectations for browser only OSs.

All mobile OS already offer mobile browsers, so if you want me to switch OS, the user experience has to be worthwhile.


I agree, and from what I've seen in the Firefox OS videos it is considerably laggy on the devices they're launching.

It seems counter intuitive to me to on one hand want low power utilization, low hardware requirements and great performance but then turn around and write large OS components in javascript.

I'm sure someone will post some microbenchmark or link to a useless webGL tech demo to try to argue against this, but it doesn't change the core point that it is just a less effective environment to develop in.

There's no supporting tooling, no competent debugger, no cohesive framework. Its a mish mash of components which doesn't really add up to a meaningful experience for the developer.

That said, I don't see why this couldn't immediately take off. Its a shitty, but less shitty low end Android distribution with Mozilla's science experiment crammed in.

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RE[3]: I wonder...
by Lennie on Tue 2nd Jul 2013 23:49 in reply to "RE[2]: I wonder..."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

They aren't trying to sell this idea to the western countries where people can pay several hundreds of US dollars for a phone.

They are going where lower than where Android can go, the people that currently can only afford a feature phone.

The same people that don't have a creditcard to buy apps.

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RE[2]: I wonder...
by twitterfire on Tue 2nd Jul 2013 13:07 in reply to "RE: I wonder..."
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

Not only I think that browser OSs do suck from a performance point of view, but I think that JS/HTML based interfaces and programming like in Tizen, Metro sucks equally.

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RE[3]: I wonder...
by Nelson on Tue 2nd Jul 2013 23:44 in reply to "RE[2]: I wonder..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

While the HTML5 situation in Metro apps is a little better with Blend's tooling and the option of using TypeScript for development.

Its also helped out by WinRT components written in C++ or C# being callable by JS via projections. A lot of the computational heavy lifting can be offloaded to that.

But honestly, the Windows Store is around 5% HTML5 apps. Given the choice, I've seen a lot of developers opt for a native experience.

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RE[3]: I wonder...
by Lennie on Tue 2nd Jul 2013 23:55 in reply to "RE[2]: I wonder..."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Unlike all the other attemps the advantage of FirefoxOS is, that it's only web-technologies. There are no other parts running on the phone. Just a Linux kernel and maybe wpasupplicant for handling WPA/WPA2.

And FirefoxOS is targetting the low-end could be a good idea, there are 6 billion phone users in the world and only 1.1 billion have smartphones. This is because smartphones are expensive. And lots and lots of people can't afford them.

Also if you look at the number of programmers in the world for all the different langauges together is 20 million, this includes everything from kernel hackers and embedded devices to business intelligence and 8 of them million are webdevelopers.

The number of people building apps for Android and iOS are in the couple of 100.000 range.

Edited 2013-07-03 00:08 UTC

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To all the performance naysayers
by pklausner on Thu 4th Jul 2013 16:02 in reply to "RE[2]: I wonder..."
pklausner Member since:
2009-07-23

- I was also one of them.
Especially ~10 years ago, when Netscape dumped their working browser. *)
Instead they wrote a bloated cross-platform GUI framework with XML, XUL and whatnot TLAs. The browser was more like a demo program on top of it. Remember the horrible performance of the first Mozillas?

Now in FirefoxOS this framework is all that sits between the kernel and your HTML5 app.
10 years later (13, it's actually 13!) this passes as lightweight architecture...
I actually toyed around with the FFOS Peak model and was positively impressed. It surely beats the landfill Androids. And performance improvements for the desktop browser (like just reported) should mostly make their way to FirefoxOS.


*) Seminal rant over here: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

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RE[2]: I wonder...
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 3rd Jul 2013 01:54 in reply to "RE: I wonder..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Well if the entire top layer of the OS is basically web-based, then by extension wouldn't that make all "native" applications web-based as well? If it flops it flops, but who knows how it will turn out. I've obviously never used it so I don't know what it is like. As much as I'm against Ubuntu on the desktop (and I have been for years), I think Ubuntu Touch has the best chance of competing with Android (both technically and on the market). Note that I'm leaving iOS and Windows Phone out here though (I personally don't want to go all-closed again).

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RE[2]: I wonder...
by pooo on Wed 3rd Jul 2013 07:24 in reply to "RE: I wonder..."
pooo Member since:
2006-04-22

Which browser based mobile OS's have you tried? Other than webOS since when that was developed it was actually quite smooth and fast for that generation except compared to iOS. I'm wondering why the hate for js/html unless it is just a theoretical dislike?

Edited 2013-07-03 07:24 UTC

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