Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Jul 2013 12:33 UTC, submitted by twitterfire
In the News "Internet users worried about their personal information being intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies should stop using websites that send data to the United States, Germany's top security official said Wednesday." Cute, but pointless. France does it too, as does the UK. Documents from the Dutch intelligence agencies indicate that they, too, are involved in mass surveillance, the extent of which will supposedly be investigated by parliament.
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Dutch situation
by Lennie on Thu 4th Jul 2013 13:42 UTC
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

So I just know the details of the Dutch situation.

They record metadata about:
- SMS
- phone calls
- phone triangulation for every 5 minutes
- email sender/receiver
- phone/Internet account name/address

And keep it for 2 years (data retention) in a central database at separate government agency (CIOT), that can be queried by the police and secret service.

The information they keep about the queries is just statistics by a very general indicator like the police region.

They don't need to record why they query the database.

So individuals, like a police officer, are not and can't be held accountable.

So all we know is the database is queried millions of times a year. To give you an idea: in 2009 it was 3 million times, in a country with 16 million people.

The secret service wants to receive information from the US, so they share information with the US.

There is also a extradition treaties with the US.

So good luck with that.

Banks, shops and government are making it harder and harder to pay with cash. All digital transactions are recorded and banks accounts can only be created with a valid ID.

You can only get a valid ID if you get your face photographed in a way that face recognition works well (don't smile, stair straight into the camera, etc.) and with finger prints.

So how do you keep away from that ?

What privacy ? What freedom ? are we talking about here ?

And I didn't touch on CCTV face recognition from the policy in certain towns and CCTV license plate recognition on certain highways which are deployed.

There is only one advantage we have is they are some what open about it.

Edited 2013-07-04 13:51 UTC

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RE: Dutch situation
by Carewolf on Thu 4th Jul 2013 17:59 in reply to "Dutch situation"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

There is a difference between collecting metadata and collecting content. Everybody collects metadata, that is no secret. The big problem is the US collects data as well, for non-US citizens without even a broad secret warrent.

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RE[2]: Dutch situation
by Lennie on Thu 4th Jul 2013 18:15 in reply to "RE: Dutch situation"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

OK, let's have a different example.

The UK/GCHQ listens in on 400 fibre-optic cables. Supposedly they can analyze the content of 41 of them at a time.

If I'm in the Netherlands and visit a Dutch website, that traffic can still be routed through the London Internet Exchange.

The UK also shares it's information with the US, so how can I prevent information being shared with the US ?

Lots of people have a Facebook account, did you know Google, Yahoo, Facebook and Microsoft run all the images people upload to their services through a face recognition software and compare it with faces provided by them by US agencies ?

Someone I know can snap a picture and upload "to the cloud" and now I'm checked as well.

I would really like the US not to know anything about me or not be able to find out stuff about me if they target me (even if by accident), but it seems to be pretty much impossible if I lead a normal life.

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RE: Dutch situation
by Soulbender on Thu 4th Jul 2013 18:23 in reply to "Dutch situation"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Sometimes, living in a 3rd world country where most of this stuff couldn't possibly be effectively implemented is a bit awesome ;)

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RE[2]: Dutch situation
by Lennie on Thu 4th Jul 2013 18:27 in reply to "RE: Dutch situation"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

They have other problems I prefer not the deal with.

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RE[2]: Dutch situation
by twitterfire on Fri 5th Jul 2013 21:24 in reply to "RE: Dutch situation"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

Sometimes, living in a 3rd world country where most of this stuff couldn't possibly be effectively implemented is a bit awesome ;)

Waaa! Too bad I can't get a decent paid job in Phillipines, otherwise I'd be flying there right now. There's a nice country with nice girls.

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