Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Jul 2013 22:15 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "A war between two of the major conglomerates will always have casualties, and unfortunately for us, this time we are the casualties. We aren't yet at a state where it is impossible to use Google services on Microsoft platforms, but we are moving towards a stricter ecosystem world where we might see Googlers/Gmail users on one side and Bingers/Outlook users on the other. We can only hope for the sake of technologies future and for the sake of innovation that the two companies can learn to work together in an ever expanding world of data." We can hope so, but we're talking large companies, and large companies do not care about users. Never have, never will.
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Eh... so far I'm not heavily affected.
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 10th Jul 2013 00:44 UTC
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

I continue to use primarily Google services. I have three Google accounts and currently no plans to quit using any of them. I have an Android phone, so I don't have trouble trying to connect to any of them. My next phone will probably also run Android, so I don't see any potential major problems popping up in the foreseeable future.

I have created two Microsoft accounts back when Outlook.com was first pushed out as a preview, and so far haven't really used them... I just kind of played around with them. I don't have or intend to buy a Windows Phone, or anything with Windows 8/Windows RT for that matter, so as far as Google compatibility in terms of "apps" on a Microsoft operating system... I personally couldn't care less. An Xbox 360 is not entirely out of the question, but on a gaming system the very last thing I give a damn about is checking my e-mail, so again... I couldn't care less about Google access.

However, I am paying attention to what Google does... they have been irritating and occasionally downright pissing me off recently, so if something needs to be done I will consider ditching their services. I already started this when I jumped from Google Talk to a 100% XMPP/Jabber server as a result of Google's plans of closing down and locking up their Talk service for Hangouts, and if I really have to I'll consider switching other services... *if* I can find a similar, roughly equal or better service to replace it with. Google and Microsoft are certainly not the only companies I have e-mail accounts with, so Microsoft is not my only alternative in that aspect.

Edited 2013-07-10 01:03 UTC

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think Google is being particularly aggressive, even smart, in preempting Microsoft with this platform protectionism.

There are likely more people heavily wedded to Gmail than Outlook, so it does screw customers, but they don't lash out at Google as much as they just don't opt for Windows Phone.

To be clear though, I don't think Google can afford to ignore the Windows Store on Windows 8.x because of the potential size of the addressable market. With Windows 8 sales being in the tens of millions and growing at a steady pace, you've already seen Google make moves to support Windows 8.

They are hoping Android becomes their next stage for their services and displaces Windows eyeball for eyeball but this obviously isn't happening fast enough or necessarily a guarantee to happen at all.

At the same time, Microsoft is fighting back aggressively to claw back some share from the others. The entire company has been put into a yearly release cadence which for a sprawling company like Microsoft is pretty significant. Couple this with the looming re-org and you quickly see a company that is serious about taking on its competitors.

Windows Phone may or may not take off, but Windows 8 is an eventuality that Google has to come to terms with. It will complicate things quite a bit for them down the road I think, where they ignore Windows Phone but can't afford to ignore Windows as a whole.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I just use GMail as an aggregator from my email accounts to read email outside home.

At home I use the trusty desktop IMAP client and take care of doing proper backups.

If tomorrow Google decides to go wild on my stuff, I can easily disconnect from GMail. The only downside being the access to Play Store on my Android devices.

I already gave up on Picasa and went back to host my pictures on my own web site, when they started nagging private albums had to be made public because of Google+.

The main problem is with the population at large that aren't tech savy.

All companies are in the game for profit, it took some time, but I learned my lesson that there aren't good or bad guys in this game.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

However, I am paying attention to what Google does... they have been irritating and occasionally downright pissing me off recently, so if something needs to be done I will consider ditching their services. I already started this when I jumped from Google Talk to a 100% XMPP/Jabber server as a result of Google's plans of closing down and locking up their Talk service for Hangouts, and if I really have to I'll consider switching other services... *if* I can find a similar, roughly equal or better service to replace it with. Google and Microsoft are certainly not the only companies I have e-mail accounts with, so Microsoft is not my only alternative in that aspect.



I thought this was a perceptive article by Marco Arment called 'Lockdown'

http://www.marco.org/2013/07/03/lockdown

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Apple is entirely closed off, allows zero public access to any of the data it collects, and gives you no way whatsoever to take your data away or use their services with non-Apple products

Marco approves.

Google closes Reader, allows you to take away your data from it, and move to one of the many competing products that have now emerged, re-igniting innovation in the RSS field. On top of that, Google gives insights into all the data it collects on you, allows you to take it out of Google, and makes it services available for everyone to use, no matter the platform.

Marco screams bloody murder.

That's not hypocrisy at all. No sirree.

Edited 2013-07-10 10:10 UTC

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