Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Jul 2013 17:56 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "Mir, Ubuntu's in-progress replacement for the X Window System, is being used internally at Ubuntu developer Canonical and will be available to all users in the next version of the operating system. Mir was announced in March, with Canonical saying that a new display server is needed to power the Unity interface across desktops, phones, and tablets." Anyone here experience with Mir? Is it any good? any downsides?
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RE: Comment by lucas_maximus
by Nelson on Thu 11th Jul 2013 19:28 UTC in reply to "Comment by lucas_maximus"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

At least they're going to deliver, where the hell is Wayland? Right, still stuck in design by committee and mailing list.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

That is true, but nobody else is going to use it, not even the distros built on it.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

That is true, but nobody else is going to use it, not even the distros built on it.


Distros didn't switch from XFree86 to X.org overnight either. It's the first public release so I don't really expect anyone else to use it yet.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

They're going to deliver alright... a half-baked new technology, and not exactly a minor change, to their core user base of clueless people who are on the same level as Microsoft's and Apple's users. Can't wait to see all the news reports of unhappy Ubuntu users when the next one is released. That seems to be a common thing to accompany Ubuntu releases, but I have a feeling it will be especially bad once Mir/XMir takes over.

I honestly can't tell if Ubuntu really thinks inexperienced users are their target as they claim, or advanced users and developers like in the case of Fedora acting as the testbed for bleeding-edge RHEL technologies. If they really want to target inexperienced users, then I have no idea why they keep foisting unfinished, not-fully-tested crap upon their users.

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

They're going to deliver alright... a half-baked new technology, and not exactly a minor change, to their core user base of clueless people who are on the same level as Microsoft's and Apple's users.

I am one of those clueless people. By your definition, clueless people involves graphic designers and all those people who were using software that were available only on the Windows platform. Since you are at it, please educate us on how to use Non-Ubuntu Linux like Fedora for our production environment, or can you recommend OpenIndiana or perhaps CentOS desktops for those clueless people?

Can't wait to see all the news reports of unhappy Ubuntu users when the next one is released. That seems to be a common thing to accompany Ubuntu releases, but I have a feeling it will be especially bad once Mir/XMir takes over.

I just can't wait for your valuable information to educate us, the clueless people in your universe.


I honestly can't tell if Ubuntu really thinks

And you think you've been honest with your _assertions_ above?
inexperienced users are their target as they claim,
It is obvious Ubuntu is not for you or any other elite bsd/linux user on the planet.
or advanced users and developers like in the case of Fedora acting as the testbed for bleeding-edge RHEL technologies.

I really like Fedora because of its innovative features, the one I like is the VoIP feature:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FederatedVoIP
But it doesn't mean this is only the best feature available.

If they really want to target inexperienced users, then I have no idea why they keep foisting unfinished, not-fully-tested crap upon their users.

Well, I am using Ubuntu 12.04, and it is a fully tested crap in the company.

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drcouzelis Member since:
2010-01-11

where the hell is Wayland?

In RebeccaBlackOS:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/

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RE[2]: Comment by lucas_maximus
by orestes on Thu 11th Jul 2013 23:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by lucas_maximus"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

It's usable right now on several distros if you feel like installing it and last I checked both KDE and Gnome plan on supporting it natively in their next releases.

Edited 2013-07-11 23:31 UTC

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

It's usable right now on several distros if you feel like installing it and last I checked both KDE and Gnome plan on supporting it natively in their next releases.

Any source of this claim?

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

It's usable right now on several distros if you feel like installing it and last I checked both KDE and Gnome plan on supporting it natively in their next releases.


I don't know about GNOME, but as for KDE:

http://www.muktware.com/5353/kdes-kwin-wont-support-ubuntus-mir

http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xm...

http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/03/reply-to-all-the-face...

KWin maintainer Martin Gräßlin: "I have to ask you to keep KWin out of the pro-Mir campaign. I didn’t ask for Mir, I don’t want Mir and reading blog posts like the one which triggered this reply does lower my motivation to ever have anything to do with Mir. Mir is an answer to a question nobody asked. It’s a solution to problem which does not exist."

It sure doesn't look like KDE will support Mir.

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RE[2]: Comment by lucas_maximus
by r_a_trip on Fri 12th Jul 2013 10:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by lucas_maximus"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Did you say the same thing when MS stumbled with Longhorn?

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yes. Why? Do you have a point you're trying to get at? I quite publicly and extensively went over exactly what was wrong with Longhorn.

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RE[2]: Comment by lucas_maximus
by TechGeek on Sat 13th Jul 2013 02:57 in reply to "RE: Comment by lucas_maximus"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

At least they're going to deliver, where the hell is Wayland? Right, still stuck in design by committee and mailing list.



Actually the Wayland project had to make a bunch of changes to enable Mir or Wayland to work. They also haven't been out whoring up the media, preferring to wait for their project to be somewhat complete. Canonical copied what Wayland did, cooked up a couple fancy demos, and declared themselves lord and master of the almighty Mir.

As for progress, you can try GTK under Wayland in Fedora 19. And if you google images for it, you can see it actually working on Fedora 19.

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

Canonical copied what Wayland did, cooked up a couple fancy demos, and declared themselves lord and master of the almighty Mir.

Is this how you misspelled the word forked?

Edited 2013-07-15 00:09 UTC

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

At least they're going to deliver, where the hell is Wayland? Right, still stuck in design by committee and mailing list.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/13/1357256/wayland-120-release... ;)

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