Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Jul 2013 21:35 UTC
Microsoft Documents released by Snowden show the extent to which Microsoft helped the NSA and other security agencies in the US. "Microsoft helped the NSA to circumvent its encryption to address concerns that the agency would be unable to intercept web chats on the new Outlook.com portal; The agency already had pre-encryption stage access to email on Outlook.com, including Hotmail; The company worked with the FBI this year to allow the NSA easier access via Prism to its cloud storage service SkyDrive, which now has more than 250 million users worldwide; [...] Skype, which was bought by Microsoft in October 2011, worked with intelligence agencies last year to allow Prism to collect video of conversations as well as audio; Material collected through Prism is routinely shared with the FBI and CIA, with one NSA document describing the program as a 'team sport'." Wow. Just wow.
Thread beginning with comment 566834
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
Force is indeed the keyword
by Berend de Boer on Thu 11th Jul 2013 23:34 UTC
Berend de Boer
Member since:
2005-10-19

The commentators here are spot on. The US holds a gun against Microsoft's head and tells them: jump.

Anyone jumps in that case. The only question is: how high do you want me to jump.

The public was sold that there were mechanisms in place to prevent abuse: i.e. court orders needed.

But what do we find out? We have secret courts, so secret that its rulings are secret too. We have law interpretations so secret, we cannot be told. The IRD is pursuing political enemies after Obama mentioned this as strategy. Millions of Americans have sufficient security clearance to read all your email.

Governments cannot be trusted. It's all to keep you safe! And its time the internet routes around obstacles again.

Reply Score: 5

Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The US holds a gun against Microsoft's head and tells them: jump.


We don't really know how much pressure, if any, was applied.

Governments cannot be trusted.


Unfortunately companies can't be trusted either.

Reply Parent Score: 8

Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think this is true in general, we don't know much of anything. There are little to no concrete details coming out with all this. Some vaguely worded powerpoints, unverified reports of unreleased information, etc.

The story seems to be much more nuanced than this, so I'm going to withhold judgment in hopes a proper story comes out.

It could be that MSFT and others willingly went along, or it can be that the Govt exerted tremendous legal pressure. Or anything in between that. Who knows.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE: Force is indeed the keyword
by otrov on Fri 12th Jul 2013 04:27 in reply to "Force is indeed the keyword"
otrov Member since:
2012-06-02

But what do we find out? We have secret courts, so secret that its rulings are secret too. We have law interpretations so secret, we cannot be told. The IRD is pursuing political enemies after Obama mentioned this as strategy. Millions of Americans have sufficient security clearance to read all your email.


If you need Snowden for such observation, then dream on.

It's reasonable to carry believe in certain easy-to-digest-transparency image about the government role and politics, as even slight actual insight would definitely hurt and require IQ and integrity that most can't provide. But also no sane person really wants to know more then needed or something else then the rest. It's all about your safety - keep it as mantra.

What I found laughable in this charade is reaction from hypocritical EU countries as if they don't know anything about and as if they don't do the same.
What to expect from societies that communicate through PR agencies and press conferences, other then idiotic outcome?

Reply Parent Score: 2