Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Jul 2013 17:56 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "Mir, Ubuntu's in-progress replacement for the X Window System, is being used internally at Ubuntu developer Canonical and will be available to all users in the next version of the operating system. Mir was announced in March, with Canonical saying that a new display server is needed to power the Unity interface across desktops, phones, and tablets." Anyone here experience with Mir? Is it any good? any downsides?
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RE: Comment by BBAP
by allanregistos on Fri 12th Jul 2013 05:05 UTC in reply to "Comment by BBAP"
allanregistos
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2011-02-10

It seems nowadays, bashing Ubuntu and Unity is the new sport.
http://myubuntublog.com/is-unity-bashing-a-hobby/

I encountered this type of people almost daily in my linux news alert. I have hiccups of using Ubuntu, continue to receive "ubuntu internal error" dialog box every now and then. However, I need a replacement of X because it seems it is very slow compared to the graphic stack of Windows XP. So I am very excited with Wayland for sooooooooooooooooooo many years waiting for it in the form Fedora or any distro, yet it did not happened. RebeccaBlackOS? Thank you, but I need usable desktop not an experimental one. I think that RebeccaBlackOS was released only because of Canonical's announcement and roadmaps of MIR? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wayland was developed for so long now. And now with MIR, I just want to try and use it daily. WIth more users, it can be made into a very usable state. Someone even mentioned @ the announcement of MIR that he doubts the capacity of Canonical releasing a usable display server in a very short time, made me realized that part of the motive of bashing MIR is plain jealousy.

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RE[2]: Comment by BBAP
by _txf_ on Fri 12th Jul 2013 11:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by BBAP"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I think that RebeccaBlackOS was released only because of Canonical's announcement and roadmaps of MIR? Correct me if I'm wrong...


You're wrong.

Someone even mentioned @ the announcement of MIR that he doubts the capacity of Canonical releasing a usable display server in a very short time, made me realized that part of the motive of bashing MIR is plain jealousy.


Sure, they can create a display server, but whether it will be usable beyond simple demos is yet to be seen. It should be noted that the developers behind Wayland are far more experienced than those doing Mir.

The reasons for bashing Mir is simply the way Canonical went about developing it and the rather poor justifications they used and they way they initially bashed Wayland (and getting it mostly wrong).

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RE[3]: Comment by BBAP
by allanregistos on Mon 15th Jul 2013 04:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by BBAP"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

Sure, they can create a display server, but whether it will be usable beyond simple demos is yet to be seen. It should be noted that the developers behind Wayland are far more experienced than those doing Mir.

Yes, X developers themselves plus Redhat employees.

The reasons for bashing Mir is simply the way Canonical went about developing it and the rather poor justifications they used and they way they initially bashed Wayland (and getting it mostly wrong).


To have a total control of the project is a valid justification. In Wayland, they can't exert control to fulfill their vision. Of course some people claim here that they do copied Wayland, and that is _NORMAL_ for any OSS project, why bash for copying? It was encourage to so according to licensing. It should be noted that Canonical acknowledged their false claims about Wayland.

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RE[2]: Comment by BBAP
by Finalzone on Fri 12th Jul 2013 18:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by BBAP"
Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

To be frank, Unity/MIR bashing as you call came from Canonical themselves having an extremely poor reputation of collaborating upstream. Canonical should know better having developing MIR in secret for nine months without even contributing Wayland, the display server they supposedly support back in 2010, then spread fear, uncertainly, and doubt about it on MIR wiki before retracting after being busted.
Seeing how Kubuntu and Xubuntu negatively reacted against MIR, "Ubuntu bashing" is to be expected.

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RE[3]: Comment by BBAP
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 12th Jul 2013 18:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by BBAP"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, the FUD that came with the MIR announcement was really bad. They ultimately admitted that they didn't know what they were talking about, but they wanted two things that were not easily doable with wayland.

1) Complete control over the project ( so they can ensure it works exactly like they want for Unity).

2) Compatibility with Android device drivers.

Which is fine, if that's what they want. However, they're kind of upset that Kubuntu won't be joining them on Mir. All of the ?buntu derivatives are in question. They'll work if XMir works, but slower. Not sure anyone wants to do that.

I think Ubuntu rightly sees a great business opportunity in having a single operating system on phones, tablets and desktop computers. I'm not sure if the cost is worth it though. I'd prefer something like KDE where you can have the same applications but with a different gui depending on your form factor ( Desktop, notebook, tablet).

Edited 2013-07-12 18:32 UTC

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