Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 10th Jul 2013 15:03 UTC
Windows I have a Surface RT tablet. I bought it because I'm a Windows Phone user, and despite its major flaws, I still hate WP much less than I hate its competitors. As such, it made sense to me that I would like the Surface RT as well - I mean, my favourite UI on a tablet? Count me in! It should come as no surprise by now that Windows RT was a major disappointment, so now that the Windows 8.1 preview is here, did Microsoft address any of the major problems?
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RE[5]: Spot on
by Nelson on Sat 13th Jul 2013 11:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Spot on"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

What do you think 3D graphics are? An illusion. Have you done any graphics programming? Thjs is fucking ridiculous. The perspective transforms in Metro are definitely 3D transformations.

Furthermore, they've removed airspace issues between pure DX surfaces and UI surfaces to let them naturally interop (using DirectComposition which takes bitmaps from various APIs). So in other words you're talking nonsense.

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RE[6]: Spot on
by Yagami on Sat 13th Jul 2013 14:31 in reply to "RE[5]: Spot on"
Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

What do you think 3D graphics are? An illusion. Have you done any graphics programming? Thjs is fucking ridiculous. The perspective transforms in Metro are definitely 3D transformations.

Furthermore, they've removed airspace issues between pure DX surfaces and UI surfaces to let them naturally interop (using DirectComposition which takes bitmaps from various APIs). So in other words you're talking nonsense.


So basicly you start saying all 3D is an illusion, but then the perspective transformations in Metro are definitely 3D transformations ? You really think they are 3D or not based on an animation "perspective" ? Where in the metro desktop or the classic desktop is the Z axis ? There isnt ... everything else is an animation ... an illusion.

Have YOU done any 3D graphics programming ?

No, i am not talking nonsense ... you just want to believe that everything has to be blank one colour squares to be true 3D and everything else is an illusion.

So ... Metro's swirl is reall 3D and others are an illusion ?!?!? fanboy's , geez....

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RE[7]: Spot on
by Nelson on Sat 13th Jul 2013 17:38 in reply to "RE[6]: Spot on"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

So basicly you start saying all 3D is an illusion, but then the perspective transformations in Metro are definitely 3D transformations ?


Yes, and still just points translated into 2D space. There is no actual 3D object in your monitor, as I'm sure you're aware.


You really think they are 3D or not based on an animation "perspective" ? Where in the metro desktop or the classic desktop is the Z axis ? There isnt ... everything else is an animation ... an illusion.


There is a concept of a Z axis in Metro applications, you can set a transform to animate the Z axis. An animation is an interpolation of a value over time, so there is no difference between setting a state to a value and animating a value.


So ... Metro's swirl is reall 3D and others are an illusion ?!?!? fanboy's , geez....


No. They're both illusions at a high level, quite obviously. But for what we're talking about, they're both "3D".

What annoys me is that people like you, who haven't done a day of programming with WinRT can sit here and make these wildly off base statements.


XAML composed with DirectComposition to enable interleaving with DirectX content (with no airspace or Z-order issues)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/bg182880.aspx#...

XAML UI supporting 3D projections (In fact, many Theme Transitions use projections to animate independently of the UI thread)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.ui.xam...

XAML FrameworkElement projections in practice
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh700359.aspx

Applying a 3D Matrix transformation to a FrameworkElement in XAML
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.ui.xam...

Do stop talking out of your ass.

Edited 2013-07-13 17:44 UTC

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