Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Jul 2013 22:42 UTC
Legal "A diverse coalition of 19 groups announced today a lawsuit against the United States government for 'an illegal and unconstitutional program of dragnet electronic surveillance', known as the Associational Tracking Program, which collects all telephone records handled by Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint in the US. The group, represented by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, aims to compel the government to inventory and disclose the records in its possession, to destroy them, and to immediately end the surveillance program."
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RE[5]: n/t
by Kochise on Wed 17th Jul 2013 17:54 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: n/t"
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So, to sum it up : the USA and France, to begin with, are not democracies.

Recently in France, senators have voted not to disclose their personal fortune as a matter of transparency.

Since they are still getting public funds in wallets full of bills, without the necessity to explain what usage it is dedicated for, you can conclude whatever you want from this democracy.


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RE[6]: n/t
by Finalzone on Wed 17th Jul 2013 18:08 in reply to "RE[5]: n/t"
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Both France and USA are historically republic, never were fully democratic.

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RE[7]: n/t
by Kochise on Wed 17th Jul 2013 18:33 in reply to "RE[6]: n/t"
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RE[7]: n/t
by tylerdurden on Wed 17th Jul 2013 19:00 in reply to "RE[6]: n/t"
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"Republic" and "Democracy" are not mutually exclusive terms. Republic refers to the fact that, in the cases of France and the US, the head of state is an elected position and not a lifetime or inherited appointment (at least in theory). Whereas Democracy refers to the electoral process.

Which is why the US and France are democratic republics, again in theory. Practice obviously differs...

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