Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 17th Jul 2013 17:08 UTC
Apple "All three major Russian cellcos have stopped selling the iPhone, the most dramatic instance so far in a rising tide of operator backlash against Apple's tough contractual requirements. VimpelCom has severed its ties with the handset provider, following in the footsteps of MTS and MegaFon. VimpelCom says it has put Samsung at the top of its list of smartphones to promote under its BeeLine brand. According to PhoneArena, VimpelCom blamed 'draconian contracts' and 'harsh conditions [...] especially in the marketing department' for its decision to dump the iPhone and sign a new deal with Samsung." Apple's treatment of carriers has long been a sore point, however, carriers didn't have much choice. Now that the iPhone is by far no longer the only big money maker, carriers have more leverage.
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RE[8]: Marketing...
by orfanum on Thu 18th Jul 2013 08:39 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Marketing..."
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I don't care what you call me, whether it's 'Sir' one minute or 'prick' the next.

I am not assuming anything except the assertion you made, and I am calling you out on it.

One of my own last statements was "Evidence, please", which I feel is polite enough.

Blame in on a certain literary style, blame it on assuming I assume you are an Apple fanboi, but I would look closer to home if I were in your shoes, and you know that well enough yourself, or why else indeed stop yourself from going too far without evidence originally.

You don't even have the gumption to say straight what you have implied; all you'd need to do is say something along the lines of "In my view, this can only really point to Samsung's bribing those carriers", you might then earn some respect.

Instead you squirm, you wriggle and you still have neither evidence nor personal credibility.

Congratulations! ;)

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RE[9]: Marketing...
by BushLin on Thu 18th Jul 2013 10:14 in reply to "RE[8]: Marketing..."
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I didn't say bribery, maybe what was offered was just too good terms... I'm open minded.

The reason I run from your interrogation is because I didn't come here for an argument, I came to debate the topic in hand in a reasonable fashion in order to unwind after work... not to defend things I didn't say or frankly don't even care that much about. Technical matters can be absolute, political matters made away from the public are naturally a bit more open for speculation.

You didn't just ask for evidence (although I'm not looking to prove anything) you did at least bring some of your own views on the actual topic finally but if you must insist on me soul searching might I suggest you stop drowning in your own smugness and supposed superiority when, as you say, you don't know me.

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RE[10]: Marketing...
by orfanum on Thu 18th Jul 2013 16:11 in reply to "RE[9]: Marketing..."
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More excuses. So you imply potential bribery on the part of a multinational corporation as a means of winding down after work? The mind boggles.

For information, as far as I know, this information is posted on the open Web, and those posting are responsible for what they post.

What has my knowing you to do with me asking you to stop vilifying an entire company if you have no evidence, and to stop making specious claims or inferences you cannot possibly back up?

Yes, speculate away but I know families that work for Samsung, in its many divisions: these are people, too - you airily make such statements as a means of diversion while they are working hard to produce a lot of interesting, intelligent, new things to the best of their ability and conscience to make their way in the world.

Why would you need to stop yourself from going further if you merely wanted to indicate "Samsung probably made a better offer"?

Nothing you say stacks up, frankly.

So, I use words you have may to look up. It's called educating oneself. I come from a poor background, learning was my way out. It's nothing to do with feeling smug or winning arguments.

See what you want to see. Next time remember the notion: "Say what you mean and mean what you say" before spouting anything else in an open forum.

Orf (and out).

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