Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 26th Jul 2013 09:52 UTC
Legal "The pornography filtering system praised by David Cameron is controlled by the controversial Chinese company Huawei, the BBC has learned. UK-based employees at the firm are able to decide which sites TalkTalk's net filtering service blocks." The irony. It hurts.
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RE[7]: Chinese firm
by kwan_e on Sun 28th Jul 2013 06:39 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Chinese firm"
kwan_e
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2007-02-18

kwan_e,


"Have you not heard of the phrase 'adding insult to injury'?"

Adding insult to injury is making a bad situation worse, but how exactly is technology from a Chinese firm adding insult to injury?


Because the Chinese firm in question is Huawei.

"let's say someone ran over your dog and it happened in front of you. In one scenario, the person gets out of the car and kicks your dog's limp body to the side. In another scenario, the person backs over your dog and goes over it again once or twice."

The second scenario is intended to reflect evil qualities in the person, so are you trying to infer that Chinese firms have evil qualities in and of themselves? If so, then that's the antithesis of my original post, if not then I don't get your analogy.


The second scenario is NOT intended to reflect evil qualities in the person. It is intended to reflect that, even in a irreparably bad situation, you can still add to it to make it worse.

If you're an atheist like me, a dead pet dog is a dead pet dog. No doggy heaven. But I still wouldn't like to see my dead pet dog's body treated badly.

Twice you've said "Chinese firm", as though all the criticism is because the firm is Chinese. The point is not that it's Chinese, it's because it's Huawei.

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RE[8]: Chinese firm
by Alfman on Sun 28th Jul 2013 20:18 in reply to "RE[7]: Chinese firm"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"Twice you've said 'Chinese firm', as though all the criticism is because the firm is Chinese. The point is not that it's Chinese, it's because it's Huawei."


Well, your earlier post lead me to believe that your criticism was based on nationality:

"See, censorship in a democracy is already VERY controversial. Then the fact that they use tax payer money to fund a Chinese supplied system makes the already VERY controversial into a holy-fuck controversial."


If this isn't because they're a Chinese firm, I guess I missed the source of your criticism for Huawei?


"The second scenario is NOT intended to reflect evil qualities in the person. It is intended to reflect that, even in a irreparably bad situation, you can still add to it to make it worse."

Except you haven't really pointed out what has made it worse now that you know Huawei is sourced for the technology instead of someone else. Is anything at all tangibly worse about Huawei than someone else?

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RE[9]: Chinese firm
by kwan_e on Sun 28th Jul 2013 23:55 in reply to "RE[8]: Chinese firm"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

kwan_e,

"Twice you've said 'Chinese firm', as though all the criticism is because the firm is Chinese. The point is not that it's Chinese, it's because it's Huawei."


Well, your earlier post lead me to believe that your criticism was based on nationality:

"See, censorship in a democracy is already VERY controversial. Then the fact that they use tax payer money to fund a Chinese supplied system makes the already VERY controversial into a holy-fuck controversial."


Because YOU used "Chinese" in your post that I replied to instead of Huawei. You were the one who started off by framing the question as one of nationality, even though the title of the thing also specifically mentions Huawei. If you then look at my subsequent reply to Soulbender, one of my equations was:

Censorship + Huawei/CCP.

If this isn't because they're a Chinese firm, I guess I missed the source of your criticism for Huawei?


Yes, because of the aforementioned equations referencing Huawei and other candidate companies.

Except you haven't really pointed out what has made it worse now that you know Huawei is sourced for the technology instead of someone else. Is anything at all tangibly worse about Huawei than someone else?


How about Huawei's ties to the CCP? You can't be naive about that. I guess you can suspect the other companies having similar ties to the NSA.

But given that the US is a waning power, and everyone now wants to get a piece of Chinese economic action, the CCP can use Huawei's reach to pressure countries. If you don't believe me, you should take it from the Australian PM Kevin Rudd (who knows Chinese) who has had to deal with the CCP's attempts to silence criticism abroad, despite their supposed policy of non-interference in internal politics.

Choosing Huawei is kind of like paying another country to do your censorship for you.

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