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General Development "There is a reason I use 'old' languages like J or Lush. It's not a retro affectation; I save that for my suits. These languages are designed better than modern ones. There is some survivor bias here; nobody slings PL/1 or Cobol willingly, but modern language and package designers don't seem to learn much from the masters. Modern code monkeys don't even recognize mastery; mastery is measured in dollars or number of users, which is a poor substitute for distinguishing between what is good and what is dumb. Lady Gaga made more money than Beethoven, but, like, so what?" This isn't just a thing among programmers. The entire industry is obsessed with user numbers, number of applications, and other crap that is meaningless when you consider programming to be art. When I post a new item about some small hobby operating system, the comments will be filled with negativity because it's no Windows or iOS, whereas only ten years ago, we'd have lively discussions about the implementation details. And then people wonder why that scene has died out.
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RE: Oh goody
by WorknMan on Sun 28th Jul 2013 17:13 UTC in reply to "Oh goody"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Hey, it's just like how today's music is crap and the music I grew up with is much better and deeper ... except I grew up with 70's disco and glam rock and 80's hair metal and bubblegum pop...


Ummm, have you actually listened to some of today's music?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q1wzwAMMPU

Makes Vanilla Ice seem like grammy material by comparison ;)

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RE[2]: Oh goody
by siride on Sun 28th Jul 2013 18:17 in reply to "RE: Oh goody"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

There's shitty music today and there was shitty music back then. You can't judge one period by its best music and another by its worst.

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RE[3]: Oh goody
by WorknMan on Sun 28th Jul 2013 18:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh goody"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

There's shitty music today and there was shitty music back then. You can't judge one period by its best music and another by its worst.


Dude, this is just a track I picked off the radio at random. I doubt this is the worst that this generation has to offer. Here's another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoVg5dG6o_Q

The second one actually charted at #14 on the Billboard 100. I challenge you to find me ANYTHING prior to 2000 this bad, and was a radio hit. Not even JJ Fad could suck worse than this. There is NO denying that mainstream music today is worse than it has ever been. Hell, I'd rather listen to disco, and I'm a child of the 80's.

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RE[2]: Oh goody
by panzi on Sun 28th Jul 2013 18:33 in reply to "RE: Oh goody"
panzi Member since:
2006-01-22

There is still good music made:
Zoe Keating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrcXX4nWOA
Theophany: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_8HZNCKpdU (ok, that's a remix of something from 2000; download: http://www.terriblefate.com/)
Florence and the Machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBY96qxVRQ
Floex (Tomáš Dvořák): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYd7PbGEOus
The Dresden Dolls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9Bv99wo-E
The Tallest Man on Earth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Giuw53r2BQ
Vienna Teng: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUpEaqdaKqw

And even auto-tune can be used in a good way:
Ellen McLain+Jonathan Coulton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ClYY5mwbc

Ok, none of this is "Bach" or "The Beatles", and none of it has any chance to get into the album charts. But when ever where good music in the charts? I guess you have to go back to The Beatles for that. Just don't listen to the radio. Listen to "The Internet". ;)

Also there is some low-quality music on YouTube that is still enjoyable because it is high-fun (probably only works if you're in the fandom; again auto-tune):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxA1U1DVb7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0Q2XlXRs0

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RE[2]: Oh goody
by Wafflez on Sun 28th Jul 2013 20:39 in reply to "RE: Oh goody"
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2011-06-26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew8ZqhjM26g

Also todays music. Beats the heck out of Beatles imo...

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RE[3]: Oh goody
by panzi on Sun 28th Jul 2013 21:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh goody"
panzi Member since:
2006-01-22

Judging from the linked YouTube video: I don't think so at all.

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