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General Development "There is a reason I use 'old' languages like J or Lush. It's not a retro affectation; I save that for my suits. These languages are designed better than modern ones. There is some survivor bias here; nobody slings PL/1 or Cobol willingly, but modern language and package designers don't seem to learn much from the masters. Modern code monkeys don't even recognize mastery; mastery is measured in dollars or number of users, which is a poor substitute for distinguishing between what is good and what is dumb. Lady Gaga made more money than Beethoven, but, like, so what?" This isn't just a thing among programmers. The entire industry is obsessed with user numbers, number of applications, and other crap that is meaningless when you consider programming to be art. When I post a new item about some small hobby operating system, the comments will be filled with negativity because it's no Windows or iOS, whereas only ten years ago, we'd have lively discussions about the implementation details. And then people wonder why that scene has died out.
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RE[3]: Oh goody
by WorknMan on Sun 28th Jul 2013 18:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Oh goody"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

There's shitty music today and there was shitty music back then. You can't judge one period by its best music and another by its worst.


Dude, this is just a track I picked off the radio at random. I doubt this is the worst that this generation has to offer. Here's another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoVg5dG6o_Q

The second one actually charted at #14 on the Billboard 100. I challenge you to find me ANYTHING prior to 2000 this bad, and was a radio hit. Not even JJ Fad could suck worse than this. There is NO denying that mainstream music today is worse than it has ever been. Hell, I'd rather listen to disco, and I'm a child of the 80's.

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RE[4]: Oh goody
by righard on Sun 28th Jul 2013 19:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh goody"
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

Good music is still being made, you won't find it on the radio though.

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RE[5]: Oh goody
by zima on Fri 2nd Aug 2013 22:26 in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Depends on the radio, you can for example hear plenty of good music in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polskie_Radio_Program_III (public broadcaster, has a sort of mission to popularise good music, at the very least on evening transmissions... over the decades, quite a few musicians ~launched their careers on Trójka)

Edited 2013-08-02 22:29 UTC

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RE[4]: Oh goody
by siride on Sun 28th Jul 2013 19:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh goody"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

De gustibus non est disputandum.

The top songs are what are played in clubs and bars or on the radio where people want background music to some other task. The Billboard Top 100 has rarely been the home to the best music. You always have to look outside of that. There is plenty of good music being produced today, and some of it actually makes it big. Indie rock has had a few breakthroughs, for example. I don't particularly care for the more popular songs, but I have to give them credit for being more artistically competent than the more generic schlock.

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RE[4]: Oh goody
by siraf72 on Sun 28th Jul 2013 19:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh goody"
siraf72 Member since:
2006-02-22

I challenge you to find me ANYTHING prior to 2000 this bad, and was a radio hit. Not even JJ Fad could suck worse than this.There is NO denying that mainstream music today is worse than it has ever been. Hell, I'd rather listen to disco, and I'm a child of the 80's.


Barbie Girl - Aqua
Blue - Eiffel 65
Mr. Vain - Culture Beat

Do you want me to keep going?

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RE[5]: Oh goody
by Delgarde on Sun 28th Jul 2013 21:44 in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

Barbie Girl - Aqua


Oh god... I thought I'd purged that particular horror from my brain years ago...

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RE[5]: Oh goody
by WorknMan on Sun 28th Jul 2013 22:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13


Barbie Girl - Aqua
Blue - Eiffel 65
Mr. Vain - Culture Beat

Do you want me to keep going?


The songs you mention all have one thing in common... they're actually singing, at least to some degree. That's more than some of the most popular 'artists' can even manage these days ;)

Of course, I know there's good music now, but you compare the popular stuff today to what was popular in any decade previous, and there's really no comparison.

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RE[5]: Oh goody
by lucas_maximus on Mon 29th Jul 2013 04:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Blue is about a murder, was banned in the UK.

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RE[5]: Oh goody
by MOS6510 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 06:38 in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

The 90's had some good music, but LOADS of bad music too (mostly European).

And people bought LOADS of bad music, causing more bad music and making it acceptable to make bad music and sell it too.

I never liked Madonna in the 80's, but listing to what she made in the last 10-15 years her 80's songs suddenly are a lot nicer.

I'm not a chart watcher, but it does seems crappy songs often have a better chance of a shot at #1 or the top 10 at least than good ones.

Rihanna has a number of #1 hits in the US, Depeche Mode have none. Go figure.

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RE[5]: Oh goody
by zima on Wed 31st Jul 2013 18:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Barbie Girl - Aqua
Blue - Eiffel 65
Mr. Vain - Culture Beat

Do you want me to keep going?

How/why do you remember them? ;)

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RE[4]: Oh goody
by Vanders on Sun 28th Jul 2013 23:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh goody"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm going to be entirely honest here: I'm 34, and that's better than a lot of the shit that was floating around in the 90's. Like someone else said: Barbie Girl, anyone?

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