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General Development "There is a reason I use 'old' languages like J or Lush. It's not a retro affectation; I save that for my suits. These languages are designed better than modern ones. There is some survivor bias here; nobody slings PL/1 or Cobol willingly, but modern language and package designers don't seem to learn much from the masters. Modern code monkeys don't even recognize mastery; mastery is measured in dollars or number of users, which is a poor substitute for distinguishing between what is good and what is dumb. Lady Gaga made more money than Beethoven, but, like, so what?" This isn't just a thing among programmers. The entire industry is obsessed with user numbers, number of applications, and other crap that is meaningless when you consider programming to be art. When I post a new item about some small hobby operating system, the comments will be filled with negativity because it's no Windows or iOS, whereas only ten years ago, we'd have lively discussions about the implementation details. And then people wonder why that scene has died out.
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RE[5]: Oh goody
by WorknMan on Sun 28th Jul 2013 22:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Oh goody"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13


Barbie Girl - Aqua
Blue - Eiffel 65
Mr. Vain - Culture Beat

Do you want me to keep going?


The songs you mention all have one thing in common... they're actually singing, at least to some degree. That's more than some of the most popular 'artists' can even manage these days ;)

Of course, I know there's good music now, but you compare the popular stuff today to what was popular in any decade previous, and there's really no comparison.

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RE[6]: Oh goody
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sun 28th Jul 2013 23:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Oh goody"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

You think rap was invented last year? Or just bad rap?

You do know vanilla ice made a second album, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1LQAahVic

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RE[7]: Oh goody
by MOS6510 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 06:42 in reply to "RE[6]: Oh goody"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I'm in to rap (and other genres) and rap most certainly was MUCH better in the 80's when it was part of a blend of rap (written by the rapper himself) and musical creativity of the DJ.

Today rappers are artists who can't sing. There is no creativity, it doesn't add anything to the song. It's just commercial pop trash.

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RE[7]: Oh goody
by WorknMan on Mon 29th Jul 2013 21:59 in reply to "RE[6]: Oh goody"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

You do know vanilla ice made a second album, right?


Yeah, and how high did it chart? Personally, I'd rather listen to Vanilla Ice a thousand times over than anything released by Lil Wayne or his modern-day ilk ;)

Even if you hate rap, at least back then, they sampled music from artists that actually had talent, so it was somewhat listenable. Now? All you need is a copy of Fruity loops and a 49-key MIDI controller to make your 'beats' with, and you're good to go. That's about all these no-talent f--ks can do is make beats. Hell, my 5yo nephew could do that.

Edited 2013-07-29 22:01 UTC

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RE[6]: Oh goody
by Soulbender on Mon 29th Jul 2013 02:23 in reply to "RE[5]: Oh goody"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

2 Live Crew.

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RE[6]: Oh goody
by siraf72 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 12:00 in reply to "RE[5]: Oh goody"
siraf72 Member since:
2006-02-22

Of course, I know there's good music now, but you compare the popular stuff today to what was popular in any decade previous, and there's really no comparison..



I would agree. My son, not so much.

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RE[6]: Oh goody
by zima on Wed 31st Jul 2013 18:16 in reply to "RE[5]: Oh goody"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Of course, I know there's good music now, but you compare the popular stuff today to what was popular in any decade previous, and there's really no comparison.

Though pretty much the same thing was also said, by the past elders, about songs which are now considered "classics"...

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