Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 26th Jul 2013 09:52 UTC
Legal "The pornography filtering system praised by David Cameron is controlled by the controversial Chinese company Huawei, the BBC has learned. UK-based employees at the firm are able to decide which sites TalkTalk's net filtering service blocks." The irony. It hurts.
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RE[9]: Chinese firm
by kwan_e on Sun 28th Jul 2013 23:55 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Chinese firm"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

kwan_e,

"Twice you've said 'Chinese firm', as though all the criticism is because the firm is Chinese. The point is not that it's Chinese, it's because it's Huawei."


Well, your earlier post lead me to believe that your criticism was based on nationality:

"See, censorship in a democracy is already VERY controversial. Then the fact that they use tax payer money to fund a Chinese supplied system makes the already VERY controversial into a holy-fuck controversial."


Because YOU used "Chinese" in your post that I replied to instead of Huawei. You were the one who started off by framing the question as one of nationality, even though the title of the thing also specifically mentions Huawei. If you then look at my subsequent reply to Soulbender, one of my equations was:

Censorship + Huawei/CCP.

If this isn't because they're a Chinese firm, I guess I missed the source of your criticism for Huawei?


Yes, because of the aforementioned equations referencing Huawei and other candidate companies.

Except you haven't really pointed out what has made it worse now that you know Huawei is sourced for the technology instead of someone else. Is anything at all tangibly worse about Huawei than someone else?


How about Huawei's ties to the CCP? You can't be naive about that. I guess you can suspect the other companies having similar ties to the NSA.

But given that the US is a waning power, and everyone now wants to get a piece of Chinese economic action, the CCP can use Huawei's reach to pressure countries. If you don't believe me, you should take it from the Australian PM Kevin Rudd (who knows Chinese) who has had to deal with the CCP's attempts to silence criticism abroad, despite their supposed policy of non-interference in internal politics.

Choosing Huawei is kind of like paying another country to do your censorship for you.

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RE[10]: Chinese firm
by Alfman on Mon 29th Jul 2013 02:32 in reply to "RE[9]: Chinese firm"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"Because YOU used 'Chinese' in your post that I replied to instead of Huawei."

Ok, the response wasn't very clear then. Moving right along...


"How about Huawei's ties to the CCP? You can't be naive about that. I guess you can suspect the other companies having similar ties to the NSA."

At this point, where can you escape this kind of influence. The US, Israeli, British, Chinese, Australian, etc govs all have dirty hands.


"Choosing Huawei is kind of like paying another country to do your censorship for you."

Well, Cameron is seeking to pay another country to implement a turnkey censorship platform for the UK. I honestly think it would be more controversial if a US company was involved, but that's just my take. In the end it all gets manufactured in china anyways ;)

Edited 2013-07-29 02:33 UTC

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RE[11]: Chinese firm
by kwan_e on Mon 29th Jul 2013 05:31 in reply to "RE[10]: Chinese firm"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"How about Huawei's ties to the CCP? You can't be naive about that. I guess you can suspect the other companies having similar ties to the NSA."

At this point, where can you escape this kind of influence. The US, Israeli, British, Chinese, Australian, etc govs all have dirty hands.


Yes, but the point is some are dirtier than others. If the constant "Censorship" variable is the same, then any slight different, no matter how slight, means some results will be more than others.

"Choosing Huawei is kind of like paying another country to do your censorship for you."

Well, Cameron is seeking to pay another country to implement a turnkey censorship platform for the UK. I honestly think it would be more controversial if a US company was involved, but that's just my take. In the end it all gets manufactured in china anyways ;)


Like I said, China's growing economic power makes it more of a concern right now than the US's. If the US tries to pressure other countries based on what it discovers, that country would have more leverage because the US is not their sole trading partner.

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